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Thanks for the help TK! I've switched to MIOS 2.1 on Mac, and pared down to just 1 PIC and it performs the upload, I do get some midi flashes back, but the patches still don't land. 1. They should be there if I just dial to E002 A00? right? I thought I'd upgrade from MIOS1.9f -> 1.9g, it seemed to complete OK, reboots, but the display still shows 1.9f. Tried upgrading Midibox from midibox_sid_v2_0_rc31 to midibox_sid_v2_0_rc37, this fails at 0-1% with "Upload aborted due to error #1: Less bytes than expected have been received" So - something's up with my upload I guess! Is this true for hex dumps also? For the SysEx upload it seems to acknowledge mostly, but not every time. The FireOne midi interface has a green light for midi out, and red for in. I get green - green - red - green - red - green - green - red - green - red - green - green - green - green - green - red kinda like that - And audible clicks too. I do get some Sysex back (recorded on the Sysex tool) f0 00 00 7e 4b 00 0e 01 f7 over and over. I've changed my midi cables, but do you have any other suggestions? Thanks again for your help!

Hey all, I've finally got round to integrating my MB-6582 into my studio setup. (At home, made redundant! Awesome!) Originally I couldn't find any info on uploading patches. I've found a bit now, but when I upload them they don't stick, or even land. I just get: A002 <empty> etc Using the patch manager I load one of: midibox_sid_presets_6581.syx midibox_sid_presets_8580.syx midibox_sid_presets_bank2.syx and do source all Bank A to Destination Bank A I'm probably missing something basic. So a few questions, hoping someone can help. 1. Does the MB-6582 have to be in a particular mode to receive the patches / SysEx data? Or how does it respond when receiving (any lights or sysex messages)? 2. Is there a SysEx test mode I could use to check if it's receiving? 3. My soundcard is a Tascam FireOne (not on the blacklist - but I might need something to prove that it deserves to go there) 4. Should I expect the MB to return some midi messages on the log ? It picks up the initial blip on power-on. i.e. : [12:32:44.250] IN : <Bytes> 8 <SysEx> F0 00 00 7E 40 00 01 F7 [12:31:34.984] IN : <Bytes> 8 <SysEx> F0 00 00 7E 40 00 01 F7 [12:27:22.812] OUT: <Bytes> 266 <SysEx> F0 00 00 7E 46 00 02 7F 4E 65 77 20 50 61 74 63 68 20 20 20 20 20 20 20 7F 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 01 40 00 00 00 00 00 40 40 02 00 04 40 00 00 00 00 7F 00 00 00 00 00 40 3E 02 00 12 40 00 00 00 00 7F 00 00 00 00 00 40 42 02 00 14 40 00 00 00 00 7F 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 7F 00 00 7F 00 00 7F 00 20 10 2E 00 00 00 07 10 7F 07 20 00 01 30 7F 01 40 00 01 50 7F 01 60 00 7F 40 40 40 40 00 60 60 20 40 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 20 40 F7 [12:27:21.937] OUT: <Bytes> 266 <SysEx> F0 00 00 7E 46 00 02 7E 4E 65 77 20 50 61 74 63 68 20 20 20 20 20 20 20 7F 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 01 40 00 00 00 00 00 40 40 02 00 04 40 00 00 00 00 7F 00 00 00 00 00 40 3E 02 00 12 40 00 00 00 00 7F 00 00 00 00 00 40 42 02 00 14 40 00 00 00 00 7F 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 7F 00 00 7F 00 00 7F 00 20 10 2E 00 00 00 07 10 7F 07 20 00 01 30 7F 01 40 00 01 50 7F 01 60 00 7F 40 40 40 40 00 60 60 20 40 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 20 40 F7 [12:27:21.062] OUT: <Bytes> 266 <SysEx> F0 00 00 7E 46 00 02 7D 4E 65 77 20 50 61 74 63 68 20 20 20 20 20 20 20 7F 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 01 40 00 00 00 00 00 40 40 02 00 04 40 00 00 00 00 7F 00 00 00 00 00 40 3E 02 00 12 40 00 00 00 00 7F 00 00 00 00 00 40 42 02 00 14 40 00 00 00 00 7F 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 7F 00 00 7F 00 00 7F 00 20 10 2E 00 00 00 07 10 7F 07 20 00 01 30 7F 01 40 00 01 50 7F 01 60 00 7F 40 40 40 40 00 60 60 20 40 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 20 40 F7 ... [12:25:32.609] OUT: <Bytes> 266 <SysEx> F0 00 00 7E 46 00 02 01 4C 65 61 64 31 20 20 20 20 20 20 20 20 20 20 20 7F 01 01 00 01 01 00 00 01 03 53 75 10 00 00 00 4C 40 18 0D 42 40 00 00 00 00 7F 00 00 01 00 00 34 40 05 0D 22 40 00 00 00 00 7F 00 00 01 00 00 40 41 03 0B 64 56 00 00 00 00 7F 00 00 01 00 00 00 00 7F 00 00 7F 00 00 7F 00 20 10 2E 00 00 00 17 65 51 07 39 64 01 30 7F 01 40 00 47 07 57 01 60 00 09 7F 6D 2F 40 00 60 60 20 40 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 20 4F F7 [12:25:31.750] OUT: <Bytes> 266 <SysEx> F0 00 00 7E 46 00 02 00 49 6E 74 65 72 6E 61 6C 20 50 61 74 63 68 20 20 7F 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 01 40 00 00 00 40 40 40 40 02 00 04 40 00 00 00 00 7F 00 00 00 00 00 40 42 02 00 04 40 00 00 00 00 7F 00 00 00 00 00 40 3E 02 00 04 40 00 00 00 00 7F 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 7F 00 00 7F 00 00 7F 00 20 10 2E 00 00 00 07 10 7F 07 20 00 01 03 7F 01 40 00 01 50 7F 01 60 00 7F 40 40 40 40 00 60 60 20 40 08 08 08 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 20 00 F7 [12:25:25.218] OUT: <Bytes> 9 <SysEx> F0 00 00 7E 46 00 0B 02 F7 6. Are there any other patch libraries around? 7. Is the device ID relevant in the config of patch manager? thanks for your helps!

Fantastic mate - well played!

Hey gang Just putting out a call to see if anyone has any C64 bits they have after salvaging SIDs that they would like to pass on to a good home, working or not. Empty Breadbins Keys Motherboards Probably only worthwhile if you are in the UK. If you're interested and have some pics of what you have drop me a line! Cheers R

Of course! :P My 7809 regulator was "missing a leg." I lost a trace when I had to rework it to fit in the heatsink and neglected to test. Man this feels great. All tests now passed. Funny, now that I'm finished I have this serious desire to make another midibox! No I think I'll make some music first. 8)

I tell you what, it is actually quite rewarding doing this troubleshooting! When you find the fault, or at least define the problem, there is that sense of achievement... I had 6582As and 8580s only in the 1st two modules. When I tried 6581s in the non-working modules they worked. So problem is either all my 9V SIDs are blown, or my 9V line isn't working. Let's see which...

I'm getting somewhere, but, well this is odd The test app tells me that the CS pin is not connected on the RHS SID for both the cores that aren't outputting sound (i.e. it shows 0V when I select Pin CS with mod wheel event 14) AND both the ones that are. So I'm thinking this is a peculiarity of the application that it doesn't care about the RHS SID CS pin. I have continuity right to the PIC for the CS pin, so this doesn't really bother me. Also the application outputs voltage to pin D7 when the CS pin is selected. Again I think this is the software. "Undocumented feature". ;) So It seems I'm passing all the core connectivity tests. On to the double checking of the amp stage...

Great thanks again Wilba. I've added it into the wiki so it'll come up if you search for e.g. SID PIN A0 Will try to get through the other apps when I come across them

I have to admit I'm having a bit of trouble making sense of the connectivity app. The documentation is a bit sparse... =interconnection&s[]=test]http://www.midibox.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=home:skills:troubleshooting:firmware&s[]=interconnection&s[]=test The readme is also a bit confusing. I've added the readmes from the app (and the test tome generator) into the wiki (with __?__ where it is unclear), so just need to fill in the gaps. If anyone could give me some guidance on where I'm supposed to be connecting the multimeter (or even just the naming of the pins!) it would be much appreciated! I've tried around the socket with no luck. The pins are labelled A0-A4, D0-D7, but I can't figure out what they are meant to be.

Hey I'm all uploaded now, turns out I had a 100N capacitor in with my 33pf ones and I had put it in the PCB. Schoolboy error. Not making any sound though when midi is pumped through. Running the test app I don't get a tone for PICs 1&2, but do for 3&4. Nearly there! Trying the Core-SID interconnection test next...

Oh wait. No upload request from PIC 2 PIC 3 Uploaded OK PIC 4 Uploaded OK No screen lights for PIC2-4 (I'm guessing this is normal) One failing LED (Sync - maybe this is normally off?) All encoders OK Not bad! Will try putting pic 2 into slot 1 and see if that uploads (as device id 1)... [edit: It does, so the PIC is OK. After upload it still shows as 1*-- / -*3- / -*-4 I just have to get busy troubleshooting. Lots of jumpers there maybe I can use them..?]

It's uploading right now! I have never known excitement like this! Formatting 64K... :D

Ah I see... I thought this was all done when I bought the MB6582 PICs from SmashTV. Thanks Wilba! Will get busy on this now and see how I go.

Hey gang I finally finished my assembly, but I'm not sure if I'm being stupid or I have a fault, or both. I turn it on, and i get the MIOS startup on screen, my CS LEDs flicker, and then the screen changes to No flashing cursor or anything, no movement, no sound (except a click when powered off or on). I try all the buttons and encoders, but it doesn't give me any love. I know the road to midibox love is long and hard, but I've come too far now to give up! I have checked - Continuity of my ribbons - R80 is all there - I have only 1 PIC and pair of SIDs in, but from what I've read so far this should still work (I have all the memory and shifty chips in - J11 is in but this shouldn't make a difference innit - I checked all the voltages a while back after I finished the base. When I tested the base the same thing happened, but I thought it must be that I have no controls to do anything with... - I have no R57-61 as I have 6pin resistor networks (which are all good) If someone could help me out it would be much appreciated! Thanks

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OK! The photoshop file is below: http://re-64.com/docs/UndersideLabelMidibox.zip I don't have the fonts I used handy, but I can put them in the zip and re-upload as required later.

Hey gang, I'm still in the process of building my MB6582, but I had some "spare time" at work so I designed this. It fits in the label space under a standard C64, so the template can be used for a standard midibox in a C64 case. As it uses the midibox logo I'd like to ask permission to upload the original PSD first. If the design is cool and it's OK with TK & Wilba. The serial number is from the builders list page, which I'm sure is missing some people! nice one

True... I guess I should pay more attention!

I noticed there are a couple for sale on ebay http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/x0xb0x-roland-tb-303-tb-303-clone_W0QQitemZ250274667719QQcmdZViewItem?hash=item250274667719&_trksid=p3286.m14.l1318 http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/x0xb0x-TB-303-Analog-Synth-Sequencer_W0QQitemZ370071850454QQcmdZViewItem?hash=item370071850454&_trksid=p3286.m14.l1318 I don't see any requests for permission on here though...

Mate that is just beautiful. Nice work! You must be really proud of that. :)

Ordered some of the 808 knobs for my project - brilliant. "Chipforbrains" on ebay http://search.ebay.co.uk/ws/search/SaleSearch?from=R9&fstype=1&sass=chipforbrains

If anyone has any empty brownies (with motherboard or not) I'll take em off your hands! That C64 you pillaged for the 6581 can have a new life. The nicer the condition the better. If you have a stack of them I have a Pactec PT-10 I'll trade ya for. Thanks!

Digressions aside, I'm in for 1 full kit. SmashTV please take your sweet time. Because I am a serial procrastinator and have unfinished projects in varying states of incompletion in various boxes and on surfaces around the house, even after I receive your kit, it will probably sit in a box for a good 6 months before I get a chance to do anything meaningful with it. One day I may end up making some music. But yeah if you could give us another few months at least before assembling my kit so I can finish at least 2 of my current projects. I'm sure anyone else in the forum who is waiting for parts or PCBs could make a Ghostbusters pack, MAME cabinet, Mod a C64 for Prophet64/MSSIAH, circuit-bend a Speak n Spell, or do something really nice for their wife/girlfriend.

These are up on ebay with the rest of my crap... LINK the price reflects what they cost me to buy, if you'd like one, they're there. There are 2 mint ones left and one slightly scuffed. Make me an offer on the scuffed one..!

Hey I have a handful of cases if anyone's still after one This thread -> http://www.midibox.org/forum/index.php?topic=10241.0 :o