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#21 TK.

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Posted 07 August 2008 - 21:47

Would it be possible to assign a key to a "Rest", so when entering a pattern (step time) , say the "Low C" would be the equivalent of a rest? This would enable one to enter a riff etc with rests without having to adjust the step knob.


Yes, I could provide some more Remote Key functions to control step recording mode.
Which functions could be useful: step left/right/clear/repeat last entry?)

Seems like there is a problem with the "Sync to Measure"

When enabled, the pattern seems to loose it's timing by a few clicks.. enough to make it sound sloppy. (Less than a 16th out)


Oops again! :-/ Was related to the last "quick" changes - also the beat LED was not working properly.
It's fixed in v3_3b


imagine it would not be too difficult to allow tap tempo using a MIDI note#?


Should be possible (nice idea to control the tempo with a bassdrum ;)) - I've to think about a good place for the configuration. I guess that you want to define the MIDI channel as well? The metronome configuration page has some free room, maybe I will add it there.

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Posted 07 August 2008 - 22:16

Oops again! :-/ Was related to the last "quick" changes - also the beat LED was not working properly.
It's fixed in v3_3b


Thanks for the quick fixing - running precisely as ever  8)

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Posted 09 August 2008 - 17:29

I think i have noticed something that has changed!

Maybe a bugg!!

Goto layer asingment!
Press Layer A
Turn a GP encoder or push a GP button...

Now you are back in layer asignments.... Think all menues work the same way...

Think it would be nicer if you could jump to the track with Trigger and Layer!!


Hope you gys understand what I ment!!

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Posted 09 August 2008 - 18:12

Sorry to bump in on doors question.

I was thinking about live uses and thought about this. Is there some kind of function for repeating steps? I am not refering to multi-trigger of the step. I am thinking about actualy repeating the current step multiple times (going back in time I guess) by press + hold function button and twisting the tempo knob at the same time to make stuttering drum and bass style play.

Maybe the timing of the repeat can be determined by the master divider? I imagine this would make for another parameter in a menu page. I was also thinking if this concept is possible for a single track,muliple selectable tracks or all tracks. One dedicated button for single-multi tracks and one button for all tracks. I don't quite know how doing only certain tracks would work but these are all just thoughts.

About the tempo control. I was thinking the tempo knob would adjust either the tempo while pressing the pattern repeat or adjust the divider and possibly having the original value stored in memory so when you let go of the pattern repeat button, your original tempo or divider will be back and your still in the groove. Maybe even sending the multiple repeats to the midi outs on/off for extra wierd stuff?

Maybe doing any of this at any step or even only at the first step is not possible at all. :( I am no code master and maybe only half of this idea would work. If there is anything I can add or adjust in the text editor asm to at least do a repeat function that would be a start.


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Posted 10 August 2008 - 22:46

I think i have noticed something that has changed!

Maybe a bugg!!


Yes, this has been changed, but it is a feature :)

Goto layer asingment!
Press Layer A


This will show the edit screen so long you press&hold the layer button, and the message will disappear 2 seconds after the button has been depressed.
Very nice for quickly checking, which events are played by a track without changing into the edit screen. You don't need to remember, how to enter the current menu page again.
It's especially nice in conjunction with the step recording function, because it allows you to check the recorded values without leaving recording mode.

Turn a GP encoder or push a GP button...

Now you are back in layer asignments.... Think all menues work the same way...


yes, because it's only a layer display, and not layer edit mode

Think it would be nicer if you could jump to the track with Trigger and Layer!!


Really? Why not pressing the edit button if you want to edit a layer?

I was thinking about live uses and thought about this. Is there some kind of function for repeating steps? I am not refering to multi-trigger of the step. I am thinking about actualy repeating the current step multiple times (going back in time I guess) by press + hold function button and twisting the tempo knob at the same time to make stuttering drum and bass style play.

Maybe the timing of the repeat can be determined by the master divider? I imagine this would make for another parameter in a menu page. I was also thinking if this concept is possible for a single track,muliple selectable tracks or all tracks. One dedicated button for single-multi tracks and one button for all tracks. I don't quite know how doing only certain tracks would work but these are all just thoughts.


Without too much effort I could add following functions to the existing code:
   - replaying the current step of selected tracks so long a special button is pressed
   - after releasing the button function, either continue with the next step, or continue with the step which would be played if you wouldn't activate the function (in other words: if you activate the function for 4 16th note steps, the track would continue with the 5th step)
     I think that both possibilities are useful. The first matches with your descriptions, the second has the advantage that the track is in-synch again with other tracks once you release the button
   - optional 2x, 3x or 4x multi-triggers per step

About the tempo control. I was thinking the tempo knob would adjust either the tempo while pressing the pattern repeat or adjust the divider and possibly having the original value stored in memory so when you let go of the pattern repeat button, your original tempo or divider will be back and your still in the groove. Maybe even sending the multiple repeats to the midi outs on/off for extra wierd stuff?


So, you want to speed up the step progression and clock dividers in addition. Thats possible, but it wouldn't allow to synchronize back to the other tracks before the next measure is reached. Is this acceptable?

Maybe a special menu page would be helpful, where you can tweak multiple speed/repeat/step behaviour parameters which control this special function, so that everybody can decide by himself, which settings are working best with his style.

If there is anything I can add or adjust in the text editor asm to at least do a repeat function that would be a start.


haha - no ;)

But I find these experimental features attractive. :)

Best Regards, Thorsten.



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Posted 10 August 2008 - 22:47

Should be possible (nice idea to control the tempo with a bassdrum ;))


Just a thought, while you're in that area...

the roland 'V-drums' system allowed the user to assign a 'sequence' of notes to the bass drum pad, so that with each kick, you would also hear a different bass note in sequence.

I imagine the main idea is that it's a sequence where the main clock is provided not by the internal processor, but by the kick drum pad.

Possible?

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Posted 11 August 2008 - 00:12

I imagine the main idea is that it's a sequence where the main clock is provided not by the internal processor, but by the kick drum pad.


Cannot be realized with the existing concepts, but it's a nice application for a seperate core which somebody else could program (e.g. in C)

Best Regards, Thorsten.




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Posted 11 August 2008 - 01:21

- after releasing the button function, [glow=red,2,300]continue with the step which would be played if you wouldn't activate the function [/glow] (in other words: if you activate the function for 4 16th note steps, the track would continue with the 5th step)


I did think about this and it makes good sense time wise. Me likey

And about the speeding up and down part I was thinking of having control over the studdering step repeat effect so it goes ddddddddddddddd d d d d d d d  d  d  d  d  d  d  d  d  d  d    d    d    d    d      d      d        d . Sorry only way to describe effect  ;) I would think maybe just adjusting the actual song tempo would work fine yes? I just wouldn't have control of individual track stutter speed. :-\ The idea of having individual tempo/divider control of every track that would revert back to master sync tempo/divider after doing repeat steps would be very attractive. I can dream.

- optional 2x, 3x or 4x multi-triggers per step


Are you saying have the repeated step trigger 2x speed, 3x speed , 4x speed or trigger only 2 times, 3 time , 4times? I was thinking hold the special button down untill you want to stop repeating. I kinda understand the functionality your describing though.

I think a menu would be awsome regardless. :)

Now only if it could scramble radar transmissions in sync with the beat  :P

TK your a man on a mission.

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Posted 11 August 2008 - 08:57

Cannot be realized with the existing concepts, but it's a nice application for a seperate core which somebody else could program (e.g. in C)

Best Regards, Thorsten.




Perhaps a clock box to convert the note to clock signal, then slave the SEQ to the ClockBox?

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Posted 12 August 2008 - 06:44

Yes, this has been changed, but it is a feature :)

This will show the edit screen so long you press&hold the layer button, and the message will disappear 2 seconds after the button has been depressed.
Very nice for quickly checking, which events are played by a track without changing into the edit screen. You don't need to remember, how to enter the current menu page again.
It's especially nice in conjunction with the step recording function, because it allows you to check the recorded values without leaving recording mode.

yes, because it's only a layer display, and not layer edit mode

Really? Why not pressing the edit button if you want to edit a layer?


Best Regards, Thorsten.



Ok TK.. get the picture now I thougt it was ment to stay in edit mode.... sorry.... still some weird things going on if you use the GP buttons/encoders in layer display! And I do use the edit button... ;) ...it´s a nice feature now that I got it explained.

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Posted 13 August 2008 - 11:52

Yesterday I was running the sequencer in song mode (phrase or song doesn't matter) and noticed the following: the LEDs of the Group/Track and Trigger/Layer were acting like 'Disco Lights' (short blinking in a random order/selection). ;-) As I remember correctly this was not the case with v3.2. I also tried to recognize a pattern or something that would make sence here but there was nothing of this kind. Can anybody confirm this?

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Posted 22 August 2008 - 20:45

the LEDs of the Group/Track and Trigger/Layer were acting like 'Disco Lights' .... Can anybody confirm this?


Yes, mine do the same, also on the pattern screen.


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Posted 23 August 2008 - 22:31

Back to my previous question about note repeat functions. How about a way to repeat the multiplers dynamically? I.E maybe pressing a special button which changes multipler ammounts/settings on the fly in real time? So when you press it you can have stuttering notes ect..?

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Posted 24 August 2008 - 11:17

Yes, mine do the same, also on the pattern screen.

After switching back to v3.2c the flickering is gone. Means it only occurs with the latest version (v3.3).

Another annoying thing I found on the song page is the following. On this page you can switch between pattern and bank selection with the eighth encoder. When switching from bank selection to pattern selection the last modified bank value changes to a random value. So a controlled input of banks and patterns is not possible. This occurs in v3.2 and also in v3.3.

Thanks for listening.

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Posted 26 August 2008 - 23:43

Thanks for reporting, I'm working on the bugfixes. Meanwhile I also found the root cause for display artifacts and started to overwork the message handling, but it needs much more time to solve this properly than expected.
Btw.: the application is running out of memory, here I need to find a solution as well... (optimizing some redundant parts)

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Posted 27 August 2008 - 14:47

Good luck!  :)

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Posted 27 August 2008 - 22:39

Ok, after a lot of changes it seems to work stable again :)

MIDIbox SEQ V3.3c

Mainly bugfixes:
   - fixed disco lights in pattern page
   - layer button functions now also accessible in mute/pattern page. When pressed, it gives you a quick view of the selected track/layer
   - this screen now disappears immediately when layer button released (it seems, that the delay was too confusing)
   - bank/pattern switch in song mode working properly again
   - polyphonic chords can now also be entered in step recording mode w/o stopping the sequencer
   - new MIDI remote keyboard functions, especially useful for live/step recording:
     C-7 + A-4: Decrement step
     C-7 + B-4: Increment step
     C-7 + A#4: Toggle gate of selected step

Best Regards, Thorsten.


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Posted 28 August 2008 - 08:13

Wow, that was fast!

> bank/pattern switch in song mode working properly again

Still not working. When I switch between 'Bnk' or 'Pat' selection with the eighth encoder after changing a value for a group the value still changes back to the previous selected value. Or maybe I don't know how to use this screen properly. Please explain. ;)

Found a small display bug on the edit screen. The display of the selected group and track eg G1T1 in the top left corner on this screen displays a wrong character when selecting track 3 or 4 of a group regardless which group is selected.
G1T1 -> G1T2 -> G1Tx -> G1Tx

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Posted 28 August 2008 - 08:23

Still not working. When I switch between 'Bnk' or 'Pat' selection with the eighth encoder after changing a value for a group the value still changes back to the previous selected value. Or maybe I don't know how to use this screen properly. Please explain. ;)


I'm sure that this has been fixed
Could you please press the EXIT button and check the version number? It should be v3.3c

Found a small display bug on the edit screen. The display of the selected group and track eg G1T1 in the top left corner on this screen displays a wrong character when selecting track 3 or 4 of a group regardless which group is selected.
G1T1 -> G1T2 -> G1Tx -> G1Tx


There is no routine which could display "G1Tx", and with my installation the track number is correctly displayed.
Did you receive error messages during the upload?

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Posted 28 August 2008 - 09:02

I'm sure that this has been fixed
Could you please press the EXIT button and check the version number? It should be v3.3c

My display shows v3.3c. I did a rebuild of the hex file and an upload of mios 1.9f and the seq 3.3c app and now the pattern/bank selection works flawless.

There is no routine which could display "G1Tx", and with my installation the track number is correctly displayed.
Did you receive error messages during the upload?

No errors while uploading. Here is a picture to show you what I mean. This error still exists on my seq.

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