Ian_Hurlock Posted July 21, 2003 Report Share Posted July 21, 2003 Hi there all.I posted a thread some time back re getting use of the " SIDSTATION"patches that are available from the Elektron site.Does anyone know how to get the MB SID to understand these patches ? They are syx files. But hat's all I can help with :PIt would be nice to add to our collection from that.Ian Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stryd_one Posted July 22, 2003 Report Share Posted July 22, 2003 Maybe if the makers of the SIDStation feel like sharing the file format with us... Not likely seeing as MB is competition :( Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian_Hurlock Posted July 22, 2003 Author Report Share Posted July 22, 2003 There's gotta be enuff boffin head geeks ;) ;) ;) ;) ::)He he ;DThat could get those things to work eh ?Ian Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TK. Posted July 22, 2003 Report Share Posted July 22, 2003 Hi Ian,the data structure of the SIDstation has been published in the manual, so in theory it should work with a simple conversion script. However, due to the different sound engines the results will not be the same. But it would be a nice possibility to increase the number of patches - I will try this sooner or later ;-)Best Regards, Thorsten. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian_Hurlock Posted July 23, 2003 Author Report Share Posted July 23, 2003 Yip, Yip Tk.....Does this mean you are the boffin or geek head :o :o :o ;)Ian.......Geek :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steven_C Posted July 23, 2003 Report Share Posted July 23, 2003 aint nuthin wrong with being a boffin or geek, though I got bored with being a geek some time ago, and became half normal. but then again.... ;+) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wilba Posted January 8, 2004 Report Share Posted January 8, 2004 I also have thought about reverse engineering the SID station patches to get some inspiration for new sounds (and try to get some of the Giraya sounds I heard on their website!)Since I don't have the specs on some things (ie. how fast the LFOs oscillate), I can't write a converter just yet - also some things aren't convertable without some clever wavetable useage (eg. interleaving an envelope and an LFO - aka. "lace").But my curiosity has got the better of me, so I will write a tool to view the SIDStation patches in human-readable format. At least then we can see what they do and manually make a patch to emulate it with the MB SID. (This of course will be multiplexed along with MB SID construction and other MB programming tasks ;-) )Regards,WilbaP.S. We need to locate and interrogate a SIDstation owner. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain_Hastings Posted January 8, 2004 Report Share Posted January 8, 2004 P.S. We need to locate and interrogate a SIDstation owner.Just a stupid thought but maybe you can find a helpful person here?http://www.elektron.se/partners.php?website=66f594120d4ece04fcce77ecebb0fd7d Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TK. Posted January 10, 2004 Report Share Posted January 10, 2004 But my curiosity has got the better of me, so I will write a tool to view the SIDStation patches in human-readable format. At least then we can see what they do and manually make a patch to emulate it with the MB SID. (This of course will be multiplexed along with MB SID construction and other MB programming tasks ;-) )a SIDstation patch viewer would be a really helpful tool with a high fun factor for people who like to tweak sounds (like me) - I don't need a 1:1 patch converter, but some inspirations from premade patches are always welcome :)Best Regards, Thorsten. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JobeC Posted March 28, 2004 Report Share Posted March 28, 2004 Evening folks,I spent few moments reminding myself of C++ programming and created a simple patch reader that reads SidStation patch SysExs and displays the information. Unfortunately I have no idea whether of not the extracted data is correct. (Sorry, no perl nor python here :) )The utility source code files are available athttp://sammal.ton.tut.fi/~paulus/ssPatchReader_0.1.tar.gz. I have compiled them only in linux, so any other OS a big question mark. I guess it should port quite nicely.Please, do send comments and feel free to develope the code further. And if you create any cool new sounds with the help of this utility, please do share them with other SidBoxers.And a small question for TK: is the patch SysEx format of SidBox available in anywhere else than within the source code of the JSynth?-- JobeC Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TK. Posted March 29, 2004 Report Share Posted March 29, 2004 Yep, the structure is also documented in "sid_sysex_table.inc" in a readable format and you can be sure that this table always matches with the implementation ;-)Thanks for your work! Unfortunately currently I don't have that much time to try it out - I will check your program next weekend :)Best Regards, Thorsten. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JobeC Posted July 21, 2004 Report Share Posted July 21, 2004 As I had some spare time and interest, I ported the ssPatchReader to win platform. The slightly modified sources (that will compile on both win and linux) and resulting win binary is available at http://sammal.ton.tut.fi/~paulus/sspr/ (if the server has not crashed). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
d2k Posted July 21, 2004 Report Share Posted July 21, 2004 Hey JobeCI ran ur utility on SidStation_Presets_r1.syx and saw the prompt window fill with all manner of SID info as the conversion took place...however, shudnt there be some kinda output .syx file - or have i missed summin>? Cos atm it just closes the window when it's done and thats it..Cheers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JobeC Posted July 21, 2004 Report Share Posted July 21, 2004 That's just what it is supposed to do (for now at least). Â :) It just reads the patch file and displays the contents, no conversion takes place. The conversion itself is not so direct, since the inner functionality of MBSid and SidStation differ a bit. As the program displays quite much information when run, I recommend that you direct the output to a file and inspect that afterwards. I.e sspr_cmd patch.syx > file.txt I can try to implement some kind of a crude automatic conversion (and a GUI), but I won't promise anything.(Edit 22.7.) Some kind of a conversion routine is now almost done. As I expected, there is a lot of differences between MBSid and SidStation, so the conversion result is probably quite poor. The structure of a "normal" patch is about clear to me, but the wavetable is somewhat unclear. I.e. I didn't find any good reference on how the patch has been constructed, so WT conversion is not done. (I'll publish the new sources and binaries after I've implemented also the WT conversion and tested the routine.)-- Â Jouni Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LO Posted July 26, 2004 Report Share Posted July 26, 2004 mmmmmmmmm this sounds good! 8) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seppoman Posted July 26, 2004 Report Share Posted July 26, 2004 Hi JobeC,as I´m very interested in this project I downloaded and read the SidStation manual. In my opinion, almost everything can be emulated by the MBSid. E.g. the LFO "sample and hold" (quantisation) could be done by modulating a LFO by a faster negative Saw LFO. Even the LFO interlacing could be done via the WT sequencer (only for one pair of LFOs by switching the MOD-Matrix).The WT sequencer is actually quite limited compared to the WT of the MBSid. the only problem I see is that there are four parameters that can be changed every step. But most patches don´t do this, so you could set either Sync or Ring as third parameter in the MBSid WT.One thing the MB can´t do is to have three independent WTs for the three OSCs so for patches using this feature there won´t be a solution. Also SidStation-WT AND interleaved LFOs won´t be possible in one patch.I suppose I didn´t tell you much you didn´t know before :) I´m just brainstorming out of curiosity. But if you like to discuss some problems/ideas feel free to PM me :)Seppoman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JobeC Posted August 17, 2004 Report Share Posted August 17, 2004 I thought that the most recent code should be also available for people, and as a result it can be found from now on at http://sourceforge.net/projects/sidpec/. The current state is not too high, but it's a start. The time will show if actually something useful (or working) will be reached. :)-- Jouni Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JobeC Posted October 29, 2004 Report Share Posted October 29, 2004 Finally I managed to get the system into a state, in which I can make an alpha file release. At this stage, there are classes that model patch banks, individual patches etc on both SidStation and on MB Sid. I tried to make them so that someone could make a patch editor using those classes, so they contain a bit too much stuff for only this conversion routine. There is also a simple conversion program implemented, that reads a SidStation patch bank and then prints the contents and/or tries to convert it to MB Sid format. The actual conversion is still _very_ crude, but at least it is a start.The release contains sources and binaries for linux and win.http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=116852Have fun! Â :)-- Â Jouni Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LO Posted October 31, 2004 Report Share Posted October 31, 2004 Sounds coolAlthough in its current state it might be a bit beyond me?Look forward to future releasesThanks  :D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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