JaseM Posted August 28, 2009 Report Share Posted August 28, 2009 Hey, I had a couple of questions regarding the SwinSID and it's use in the Midibox SID.I was curious if anyone has built the hybrid one, and if they could remember the parts list. I'm trying to get the parts together to make one and I'm having trouble translating the german list and getting the parts. I've been able to figure out everything except the two smaller ICs. I was going to make a list of parts and mouser catalog numbers. I can post what I find if anyone is interested.The second question is how to hookup the SwinSID to the Core. Do you still need a SID module? If so, do you just use the IC socket on the SwinSID board to plug into the SID module?Sorry if these are dumb questions, I tried looking and couldn't find an answer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nebula Posted August 28, 2009 Report Share Posted August 28, 2009 I don't know if anybody in this forum other than TK has experimented with SwinSID.I've been really interested in giving it a go. I really like what I've heard - it has a sound of its own.I can't really answer your first question, but as for the second question: SwinSID is pin-compatible with the SID IC. So you need a MBHP SID module, and the SwinSID board plugs into its IC socket. An MBHP SwinSID module to house all the SwinSID components on a single MBHP compatible board would arguably be more elegant, but it doesn't exist yet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nILS Posted August 28, 2009 Report Share Posted August 28, 2009 An MBHP SwinSID module to house all the SwinSID components on a single MBHP compatible board would arguably be more elegant, but it doesn't exist yet.Does exist, but hasn't been tested as of yet. Due to pressure from the North *winkAtFlemming* this is likely to change soon though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flemming Posted August 28, 2009 Report Share Posted August 28, 2009 *winkAtFlemming*[me=Flemming]blushes[/me]nILS, you dirty boy you.... :)It's true though, i'm also in love with the SwinSID, mostly because of its FM, it's sexy drumsounds, it's lovely resonating filter and it's internal reverb. But as i have no real life reference yet, i am also going by the various soundclips and scattered info i found.A dedicated Swin-SID module PCB would be so sexy!! *winkAtnILS* Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JaseM Posted August 28, 2009 Author Report Share Posted August 28, 2009 Thanks for the answers. I'll post what translations/Parts numbers I've found so far when I get home.Here's a link to the assembly instructions and parts list new SwinSID hybrid board if anyone is interested:http://www.swinkels.tvtom.pl/swinsid/files/SwinSID_How2Build.pdf Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Theta_Frost Posted August 28, 2009 Report Share Posted August 28, 2009 Hmmm... somewhere on ucapps it said 1 core could handle 2 SIDs and 1 swinSID... I wonder if that has been tried yet. ??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flemming Posted August 28, 2009 Report Share Posted August 28, 2009 Actually - it states that 2 SIDs and 2 SwinSIDs can be controlled from 1 core ;)From the SwinSID review in the MB-SID manual, by TK:"Note that thanks to the interface compatibility, it is possible to control two MBHP_SID modules, and one Stereo-SwinSID module from the same MBHP_CORE in parallel!"http://www.ucapps.de/midibox_sid_manual_swinsid.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matrix12x Posted August 28, 2009 Report Share Posted August 28, 2009 How many people have tried it yet? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Theta_Frost Posted August 29, 2009 Report Share Posted August 29, 2009 Actually - it states that 2 SIDs and 2 SwinSIDs can be controlled from 1 core ;)From the SwinSID review in the MB-SID manual, by TK:"Note that thanks to the interface compatibility, it is possible to control two MBHP_SID modules, and one Stereo-SwinSID module from the same MBHP_CORE in parallel!"http://www.ucapps.de/midibox_sid_manual_swinsid.htmlMy bad! Imagine a monster SID with 8 SIDS and 8 SwinSID's! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JaseM Posted August 29, 2009 Author Report Share Posted August 29, 2009 OK, here's the parts list and the links to www.reichelt.de from the original parts list (link is in my previous post).+_+_+_+_+_+_+_+_+_+_+_+_+_+_+_+_+_+_+_+_+_+_+_+_+_+_+_+_+_+_+_+_+_+_+_http://www.reichelt.de/?;ACTION=3;LA=444;GROUP=B324;GROUPID=3153;ARTICLE=12332;START=0;SORT=user;OFFSET=16;SID=28knTHsKwQARwAABllfKY2037b23cee51b55441657670edf2cf55WIMA Folienkondensator, RM 5mm, 100nF = WIMA Capacitor, 5mm 100nf20% Tolerance Polyester-=-=-==-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-http://www.reichelt.de/?;ACTION=3;LA=444;GROUP=B324;GROUPID=3153;ARTICLE=12343;START=0;SORT=user;OFFSET=16;SID=28knTHsKwQARwAABllfKY2037b23cee51b55441657670edf2cf55WIMA Folienkondensator, RM 5mm, 470nF = WIMA Capacitor, 5mm 470nf20% Tolerance Polyester-=-=-==-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-http://www.reichelt.de/?;ACTION=3;LA=444;GROUP=B1214;GROUPID=3078;ARTICLE=11403;START=0;SORT=user;OFFSET=16;SID=28knTHsKwQARwAABllfKY2037b23cee51b55441657670edf2cf55Metallschichtwiderstand 1,00 K-Ohm = 100k Resistor1% Tolerance, 1/4 watt-=-=-==-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-http://www.reichelt.de/?;ACTION=3;LA=444;GROUP=B42;GROUPID=3174;ARTICLE=13698;START=0;SORT=user;OFFSET=16;SID=28knTHsKwQARwAABllfKY2037b23cee51b55441657670edf2cf55Quarzoszillator, 24,00 MHz = 24 Mhz Crystal Oscillator-=-=-==-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-http://www.reichelt.de/?;ACTION=3;LA=444;GROUP=A363;GROUPID=2959;ARTICLE=47365;START=0;SORT=user;OFFSET=16;SID=28knTHsKwQARwAABllfKY2037b23cee51b55441657670edf2cf55ATMega AVR-RISC-Controller, PLCC-44-=-=-==-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-http://www.reichelt.de/?;ACTION=3;LA=444;GROUP=A2231;GROUPID=2930;ARTICLE=3139;START=0;SORT=user;OFFSET=16;SID=28knTHsKwQARwAABllfKY2037b23cee51b55441657670edf2cf5574HC 139 = Switching IC (IC-Schaltung)-=-=-==-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-http://www.reichelt.de/?;ACTION=3;LA=444;GROUP=C134;GROUPID=3218;ARTICLE=14701;START=0;SORT=user;OFFSET=16;SID=28knTHsKwQARwAABllfKY2037b23cee51b55441657670edf2cf55IC-Fassung, 44-polig, PLCC = IC socket, 44-pin PLCC-=-=-==-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-http://www.reichelt.de/?;ACTION=3;LA=444;GROUP=C131;GROUPID=3215;ARTICLE=8221;START=0;SORT=user;OFFSET=16;SID=28knTHsKwQARwAABllfKY2037b23cee51b55441657670edf2cf55IC-Sockel, 28-polig, superflach, gedreht, vergold = IC socket, 28-pin, super slim, twisted, gold-plated-=-=-==-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-http://www.reichelt.de/?;ACTION=3;LA=444;GROUP=C131;GROUPID=3215;ARTICLE=8231;START=0;SORT=user;OFFSET=16;SID=28knTHsKwQARwAABllfKY2037b23cee51b55441657670edf2cf55IC-Sockel, 8-polig, superflach, gedreht, vergold = IC socket, 8-pin, super slim, twisted, gold-plated-=-=-==-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-http://www.reichelt.de/?;ACTION=3;LA=444;GROUP=C131;GROUPID=3215;ARTICLE=4427;START=0;SORT=user;OFFSET=16;SID=28knTHsKwQARwAABllfKY2037b23cee51b55441657670edf2cf55IC-Adapterleiste, 32-polig, einreihig, RM 2,54 = IC Adapter Bar, 32-pin, single row, RM 2.54-=-=-==-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-http://www.reichelt.de/?;ACTION=3;LA=444;GROUP=C141;GROUPID=3220;ARTICLE=19504;START=0;SORT=user;OFFSET=16;SID=28knTHsKwQARwAABllfKY2037b23cee51b55441657670edf2cf5536pol. Stiftleiste, gerade, RM 2,54 = 36-pin. Pin header, straight, RM 2.54-=-=-==-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-I'm having a bit of trouble finding exact matches for some of the parts. For example, the capacitors I found at Mouser only had a max tolerance of 10%, not the 20 from the original site. I'm not sure if that matters, but better safe than sorry. I'll post the links for other suppliers of the parts as soon as I find them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ilmenator Posted August 31, 2009 Report Share Posted August 31, 2009 ... the capacitors I found at Mouser only had a max tolerance of 10%, not the 20 from the original site...The less tolerance the better. They are perfectly okay in terms of tolerance! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bbow73 Posted January 31, 2012 Report Share Posted January 31, 2012 is there a hardware interface for the SwinSID, like the MB-6582? Or just something with knobs? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ilmenator Posted January 31, 2012 Report Share Posted January 31, 2012 is there a hardware interface for the SwinSID, like the MB-6582? Or just something with knobs? You do realize that the SwinSID is a replacement for the SID chip, right? That means if you can control a SID chip with a MIDIbox SID, so can you control a SwinSID. Whether the SwinSID physically fits into the sockets of an MB-6582 board is a different question, though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
technobreath Posted February 2, 2012 Report Share Posted February 2, 2012 Yeah, the 6582 is a pretty tight design... I also has been wanting to try a swinsid, but ill wait some time though, but it is nice to know there exists a diy replacement in case the real deal market is dried up and the sids in my beloved synths stop working hehe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
m00dawg Posted February 10, 2012 Report Share Posted February 10, 2012 SwinSID comes pretty close to replacing the functions of a real SID, but I rather like to think of it as a different option, or a solution for your C64 so it can still make sound after your "borrowed" its SID chip :) Where SwinSID shines, I think, is in the extra support of the MBSID firmware to open up the extra waveforms and things. That plus being able to have a different sound to augment real SIDs with. When the market truly dries up though, this will be an option, but I wonder if the SID on an FPGA style projects might not be more accurate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
technobreath Posted February 16, 2012 Report Share Posted February 16, 2012 FPGA? Im not exactly sure what it is, but are you talking about actually logically "building" a sid from scratch? Would be extremely cool. Would be more like a modern clone than firmware emulation... It's been a while since I had a look at swinsid, but the thing that annoyed me then was the lack of audio in for filtering... I guess this is because of firmware complexity, cost, and hardware limitations? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
m00dawg Posted February 16, 2012 Report Share Posted February 16, 2012 (edited) FPGA? Im not exactly sure what it is, but are you talking about actually logically "building" a sid from scratch? Would be extremely cool. Would be more like a modern clone than firmware emulation... Field Programmable Gate Array. It's basically a bunch of logic gates that can be arranged and programmed (via a hardware language) to do something. It's about the closest you can get to fabbing a chip and, as a result, supposedly the FPGA-SIDs are the most accurate. Not small and not really cheap considering the cost of the real thing. It's been a while since I had a look at swinsid, but the thing that annoyed me then was the lack of audio in for filtering... I guess this is because of firmware complexity, cost, and hardware limitations? This is true but you can overcome that with a VCF like the SSM2044 :) Not the same as a SID, but still a great way to have a pretty kick-ass synth that is very similar, but with a better filter. Edited February 16, 2012 by m00dawg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
technobreath Posted February 17, 2012 Report Share Posted February 17, 2012 Yep, an external vcf is on my todo list. But I will design something discrete, I think the CEM chips are kinda hard to get.. and in 10 years when I need replacement maybe... then it is suddenly become unobtanium - not silicium :P. I use some analog vsti synths, for example sylenth1, and I just LOVE the filter. 24db/oct lowpass on a "fifth" style saw, slightly detuned and resonance added to the point of it almost sounding like harsh feedback... makes a lot of nice overtones that I just love. sounds very dreamish...! Kinda off topic :P. I have also never tried a real hardware filter of that sort, so it would be nice if I build a filter that sounds like that :D mmmm. supposedly the FPGA-SIDs are the most accurate. Not small and not really cheap considering the cost of the real thing. Are u saying there already have been "built" a FPGA-SID? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nILS Posted February 17, 2012 Report Share Posted February 17, 2012 Are u saying there already have been "built" a FPGA-SID? Yes! http://bit.ly/y2ioNU Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
technobreath Posted February 17, 2012 Report Share Posted February 17, 2012 Cool! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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