[chapelier fou]

Hi,

i've mounted my core, my 4 DIN and my 4 DOUT. I installed the MIOS32 bootloader. And (unless i am wrong) i've loaded the basic MIDIO template with the MIOSSTUDIO. So i thought i was ready to do some tests. But :

The J1 on DOUT and DIN are 2*5 pins, but on the schematics, they are supposed to be 1*5. What's the reason for this ? So which rank of pins should be used ? Can i find somewhere some pictures of detailed inside of midio128 ? i'd like to know an elegant way of pugging all these.

(on a side note, as a newbie, i plugged the 2*5 J1 of my DIN to the 2*5 J8/9 of the core, to make tests....this resulted by heating the ICs on the DIN, could the be broken ?)

Thank you.

I'll come back very soon with new problems, but believe me, i am doing my best.

louis

[julienvoirin]

there are 2 rows so that you can chain DOUT and DIN (notice So Si), a single DIN or DOUT being connected to the Core

[chapelier fou]

hummm, i've read that several DIN and DOUT were linked with the J2...
Let me check this....
thank you

[findbuddha]

Maybe you have inserted some shift registers around the wrong way?

It is a 2x5 connector so that you may connect any order that you choose of DIN and DOUT to the core with a 2x5 IDC connector + ribbon cable.

[chapelier fou]

Both DOUT and DIN go to the J8/9 connector of the core, right ? 5 pins for the DIN and 5 for the DOUT chains, right ?
But on my DIN and DOUT modules, the J1 connectors have 10 pins, not 5.

This post has been edited by chapelier fou: 09 December 2011 - 15:35

[findbuddha]

Yes, all correct.

The easiest way to connect this is with a 10 pin (2x5) IDC (Insulation Displacement Connector) and 10 wire ribbon cable. See number 33 and 34 here http://www.midibox-shop.com/buy.html if you don't know what they are.

Using this J8/9 (all 10 pins) is connected directly to J1 of the first DIN or DOUT board. More 10 pin IDC and ribbon cable to connect J2 of first board to J1 of second board. DIN and DOUT can be in any order, as both signals are present on the 10 wire ribbon cable.

I can take a photo if you are still not sure.

[chapelier fou]

That the connector i've tried. Sorry but i still don't get it.

Let's see :

a 10 (2*5) connector in the J8/9 of the core. No prob. But then, one half of the wires go to the DIN chain and the other half to the DOUT chain, right ? So it makes 5 and 5 wires, but going to 10 and 10 connectors. i think one row is useless in the J1 DINs and DOUTs connectors ?

A photo would be great of course.

[chapelier fou]

Please check the connection part at the bottom of these pages : http://www.avishowte...mbhp_dinR5.html and http://www.avishowte...hp_doutR5.html. Which row should i use ? How would you connect the ribbon cables (avoiding soldering would be more elegant) ? maybe with a 5 pin connector ?

(i hope i didn't broke anything with my wrong wiring test...)

thank you very much.

louis

[findbuddha]

Here's a picture, sorry about quality it's a phone camera.

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First module is DIN, second is DOUT, there's another DIN after that (not shown).

The DIN/DOUT PCBs pass through all 10 pins to the next board, so you don't have to worry about which row of 5 to use.

For the shift register heating issue, ensure that each shift register is inserted and oriented correctly in socket.

[chapelier fou]

Thank you for the picture.
Sadly, you don't seem to have the same core as me.

And one thing bothers me : how could you possibly chain a DIN to a DOUT ?? SmashTV's doc is really clear about it : DINs can be linked to DINs, and DOUTs to DOUTs....

I'll be out for three days, i ll try to get in touch with Tim from SmashTV

louis.

Thanks again

This post has been edited by chapelier fou: 11 December 2011 - 10:38

[smashtv]

findbuddha and julienvoirin have it right, but this is much easier to wire than it is to explain......

chapelier fou, on 11 December 2011 - 10:37, said:

And one thing bothers me : how could you possibly chain a DIN to a DOUT ??

On the R5 DIN/DOUT board layouts I connected the J1 pin not used by that module to J2 (so a DIN board carries the serial lines needed for a DOUT from J1 to J2, and the DOUT carries the serial lines for a DIN the same way).

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Sadly, you don't seem to have the same core as me.

It is the same on all current generations of Core module. J8/9=SPI port for DIN/DOUT.

A mixed DIN/DOUT chain on the same cable works great assuming the usual limits are observed (app support, keep the cables short etc.)
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SmashTV's doc is really clear about it : DINs can be linked to DINs, and DOUTs to DOUTs....

From my DIN R5 info page: "Routed SO from J1 to J2 (so a DIN:DOUT chain is possible)"
From my DOUT R4 info page: "Routed SI from J1 to J2 (so a DOUT:DIN chain is possible)"

I did this design tweak because IDC connectors + ribbon cable are cheaper and save hours of build time, or because I am a slacker and don't like building fiddly SIL cables..... choose your favorite answer. ;)

Best regards

Tim

[chapelier fou]

Thank you !

So, basically i should be able to chain 4 DINs and 4 DOUTs in any order and just plug the fist J1 to the J8/9 of the Core ?

Gonna work on it back on thursday.

louis

[smashtv]

chapelier fou, on 11 December 2011 - 17:53, said:

So, basically i should be able to chain 4 DINs and 4 DOUTs in any order and just plug the fist J1 to the J8/9 of the Core ?

Yes -but- 8 modules is a long chain so short cables are required and termination may be needed for stable operation.

Best regards

Tim

[chapelier fou]

What do you mean by "termination" ?

[smashtv]

chapelier fou, on 11 December 2011 - 18:26, said:

What do you mean by "termination" ?

Simple answer from http://ucapps.de/mid...bseq_v4_din.pdf
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A forum search will give more detailed info.

Best regards

Tim

[chapelier fou]

Thank you again and again !