Jwiering

Sync problems: Tempest & MPC5000

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Hello all! I didn't know where to post this, looked through all the topics. Please move or advice if not right :)

I'm getting nearly completed with my all hardware setup. The Midibox really was the missing link, linking it all together and sequencing the hell out of everything (especially my PerFourmer and JD990).. anyways, there seems to be a problem, although not sure if this is problem or just reality/the-real-life/not-fantasy. 

Here I am sending out clock from the Midibox SEQ V4 to both the Tempest and MPC5000 (IIC2 & IIC3). The sync should be tight, but it just isn't. I turn on the click of the Tempest and the MPC5000 and they don't match up.. One is kinda late. Anyone have a positive experience doing this? Or is it normal that some hardware is later than others? It should be tight right due to the Midibox?

Thanks a lot in advance!

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Hi! Thanks for taking the time to answer me. Unfortunately this doesn't solve it (old topic, Tempest now has fully functional USB+midi etc).

The thing is is that I should be able to delay the output of one of the output-channels to get them tight. Like let's say: everything automatic (0) and the Tempest (-.2) so that it will be in sync. Is there a way? I haven't found an option like that.

Someone adviced to buy a e-mr multiclock, so you can individually sync every piece of hardware by hand, but me thinks: the Midibox Seq V4 should be able to do this too right?

Thanks again!

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MBSEQ is currently not able to delay individual MIDI clocks, but since this isn't the first time for this request, I added it to the wishlist

It could be, that this feature won't be available for the LPC17 based build, since this firmware is running out-of-memory.

Best Regards, Thorsten.

 

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That sounds great! Many thanks!

The way I solved this now is making the MPC5000 the master, clocking the Tempest and the Midibox. The Midibox then is the master of my synths. Pretty tight now, but rather have the Midibox be master of them all :-) 

Thanks again!

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MBSEQ is currently not able to delay individual MIDI clocks, but since this isn't the first time for this request, I added it to the wishlist

It could be, that this feature won't be available for the LPC17 based build, since this firmware is running out-of-memory.

Best Regards, Thorsten.

 

This is my most wanted feature for the mbseq. Thanks TK!

 

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+1 for this feature!

I encountered a similar issue a while back while trying to layer drum sounds of my machinedrum and emu morpheus. Figured it was due to latency differences between the devices, not so noticeable with synths, becomes more evident with percussion though as the transients are much tighter. I guess if this feature were available you'd have to keep in mind you'd be sacrificing latency for synchronization, but I'd be ok with that ;)

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Please try this out:
http://www.ucapps.de/mios32/midibox_seq_v4_089_pre7.zip

The MIDI clock delays can be configured in the MENU->BPM page with GP#12 and #13

Currently only positive delays are possible, and (unfortunately) other events can't be delayed as well - this might change in future, but currently it would be too much effort (many parts of the firmware have to be overworked and reviewed).
At least a starting point for first experiments.

Best Regards, Thorsten.

Edited by TK.

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I found a way to introduce negative delays for MIDI clock and other MIDI events without too much implementation effort! :)

New version: http://www.ucapps.de/mios32/midibox_seq_v4_089_pre8.zip

The changes require a lot of testing, not only for the case that delays are applied, but also for the normal case where all delays are set to 0

Especially: stretched and/or sustained notes, echos, song & pattern changes, MIDI file player

I hope that everybody who requested this feature will help to ensure the firmware quality!
Just let me know about everything which seems to behave different compared to previous versions.

Best Regards, Thorsten.

Edited by TK.

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Thanks TK I will put some time into testing this out tonight. Much appreciated!

Luke

 

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Wow! Awesome. Many many thanks. Leaving for holidays at the moment, but will test out as soon as I get home. Great!

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On 9/22/2015 at 1:05 PM, TK. said:

I found a way to introduce negative delays for MIDI clock and other MIDI events without too much implementation effort! :)

New version: http://www.ucapps.de/mios32/midibox_seq_v4_089_pre8.zip

The changes require a lot of testing, not only for the case that delays are applied, but also for this bathmate results post and normal case where all delays are set to 0

Especially: stretched and/or sustained notes, echos, song & pattern changes, MIDI file player

I hope that everybody who requested this feature will help to ensure the firmware quality!
Just let me know about everything which seems to behave different compared to previous versions.

Best Regards, Thorsten.

Has anyone tried this new version? Is it stable and ok to use?

Edited by newWave

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Unfortunately I haven't been able to test it, since I have sold my Midibox. 

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i'm not sure if i'm the first to find this problem.....

my drum tracks from an analog out ch16 will turn off if no delay is selected on any midi out in the bpm page.

i can mute and unmute my analog out drum tracks by toggling between 0 and -1ms on any midi out in the bpm page

 

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Posted (edited)

On 9/22/2015 at 5:05 PM, TK. said:

I found a way to introduce negative delays for MIDI clock and other MIDI events without too much implementation effort! :)

New version: http://www.ucapps.de/mios32/midibox_seq_v4_089_pre8.zip

The changes require a lot of testing, not only for the case that delays are applied, but also for this v tight gel result normal case where all delays are set to 0

Especially: stretched and/or sustained notes, echos, song & pattern changes, MIDI file player

I hope that everybody who requested this feature will help to ensure the firmware quality!
Just let me know about everything which seems to behave different compared to previous versions.

Best Regards, Thorsten.

Has anyone tried this new version? Is it stable and ok to use?

Edited by Hezekiah

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Would it be too much to ask members that request firmware changes actually take 2 minutes of their time to test them out and post feedback in the future?

 We have 3 users in this thread who were interested in this feature and not one of them bothered to post a reply and possibly may not have even bothered testing it at all, not even the requester. 

This must be incredibly fustrating for TK, 

he took time out of a super busy schedule to implement this change and now we'll probably never know if it solved the issue since the OP has since sold their MIDIbox. 

Also we now have a duplicate first post across 2 accounts from someone who's probably put off building a MIDIbox SEQ due to concerns about the tightmess of MIDI sync, for 3 years at least!

/rant

 

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On 09/09/2015 at 10:11 AM, Jwiering said:

Or is it normal that some hardware is later than others? 

To answer the original question some hardware is definitely later than others. 

Especially in the case of the Roland Boutique series, there is a noticeable latency with each of those units.

More info on them here:

http://forums.rolandclan.com/viewtopic.php?f=59&t=54257

 

If any Roland boutique owners could test this firmware changes to see if it can resolve delays it would be awesome.

Edited by Smithy

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