BulletZ

MidiBox SID / MB6582 mixer

7 posts in this topic

Hi there,

I don't know if something like this has been proposed already but if it hasn't, here's a simple two-transistor virtual-earth summing amplifier for the mixer output of the MB6582.

It's suboptimal in many ways because I wanted to keep it simple and cheap (and try to use as much as possible existing components value from the main project, e.g. BC547, 10uF caps, etc). I wanted to make it so that it did not require any modification of the existing hardware to work (including running from available voltages), and I also wanted to keep its PCB footprint small in case someone wants to add it to the MB6582 PCB.

I think the schematics is pretty self-explanatory, the general idea here, as with all virtual-earth summing systems, is to basically have 0Vp-p at the summing point to reduce crosstalk between channels. The setup is a two-stage tansimpedance amplifier: T1 turns current at its input into voltage and is buffered from the output via the voltage-follower T2. The bootstrap capacitor C3 improves linearity and reduces bus residual. The existing mix resistors are pictured as RM1-RM8.

This circuit has a lot of shortcomings, but since we're not exactly going HiFi here, it should still deliver much better results than the original passive summing system which had some severe crosstalk. It should also be fairly easy to add a volume control stage to that mixer output. Note: this is an inverting stage: the output phase is reversed.

I wasn't entirely sure where to set the mark for the gain: the circuit will hard clip at around 4.8Vp-p input, 10Vp-p output. I've done some very basic (read: almost none :angelnot:) testing with my MB6582 and it seems to do the job.

Comments welcome.

 

By the way, speaking of comments, I'd have two suggestions for the MB6582 PCB:

  1. Please add thermal relief on the ground plane: soldering the ground pins at safe temperatures, even with a 80W iron, is really not easy without them.
  2. While ENIG looks beautiful, it's really not DIY friendly either: HASL is much better in that regard: it has excellent component wetting. ENIG only has the upper hand if you have a lot of SMDs and need perfect surface level, which is not the case here.

My 2c !

Cheers,

T.

mixer summing.pdf

Edited by BulletZ
adding tags

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Thought you would be interested about active mixers / amplifier circuits , would have given better results to this at my advice.

Edited by Psykhaze

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

I am familiar with active mixers, that's why I proposed one. As I explained in my initial post, the point here is to be cost-effective, and require as little mods to the initial design as possible. The MB6582 doesn't have a negative rail so that rules out cheap OpAmps designs.

in any case the proposed design is imho a significant improvement to the current situation (passive mixer with very high crosstalk), since it does essentially remove all crosstalk, which was my primary goal.

I'm curious whether adding an active mixer to the MB6582 is of any interest (and if so, if my proposed design is a step in the right direction), in which case I could e.g. add volume control.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Ok then ! I must admit your design is really simple and cost effective if it gives good results ! MCP600X Opamp works with 5V also.

Edited by Psykhaze

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Create an account or sign in to comment

You need to be a member in order to leave a comment

Create an account

Sign up for a new account in our community. It's easy!


Register a new account

Sign in

Already have an account? Sign in here.


Sign In Now