Wilba Posted January 22, 2004 Report Share Posted January 22, 2004 Since I'm in the long process of making a MIDIbox SID step C (and redesigning the front panel), I've thought about accomodating some future extensions now - some that I might add and some that are still floating around in TK's head ;-)I'm anticipating some kind of analog output (to control an external filter, volume control, panning, etc.).Is this going to involve one MAX525 per core, so that each core (in a multi-SID setup) can modulate up to four analog outputs? Should I therefore add another four rows to the modulation matrix?Or is this overkill and I should only add one row and use CORE:J5 to drive my own quick'n'dirty 8-bit parallel DAC?I know this is FAR ahead for me (still in panel design/construction phase) but I'd like to have my panel design accomodate the extensions...Suggestions welcome.Wilba Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arumblack Posted January 22, 2004 Report Share Posted January 22, 2004 the preliminary schematic is here...i believe it provides for 8 analog outs.(could be wrong, please correct if so.)http://www.ucapps.de/mbhp/mbhp_aout.pdfas for how it is implemented i guess only one person can answer that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TK. Posted January 23, 2004 Report Share Posted January 23, 2004 Hi Wilba,a more general answer: since one month I'm working from time to time on a new SID release, some of the new features are suggested by Jess D. Skov-Nielsen (an experienced sound designer with a lot of SID knowledge).Here a list of functions which are already implemented and tested:optional oscillator phase synchronization for more percussive soundsnon-linear envelopes with flexible CURVE parameter which allows you to bend the attack, decay and/or release curve to upward/downward directionoptimized linear response of the 8580 filtercorrectly calculated Note->frequency tablemore stable wavetable sequencer timings (based on experiences with MIDIbox SEQ)optimized display handler to avoid long delays of more than 1 mSminimal AOUT support (7 CV out assigned to the existing outputs of the modulation matrix, 1 channel to the filter resonance parameterWhat I plan to implement after MIDIbox SEQ has been released:7 dedicated modulation matrix outputs especially for the CV outsnote/pitchbend assigned to the 8th CV out1 Note gate and 1 sequencer clock outa special button combination which switches the LED matrix of the control surface between common and AOUT matrix --- I will never change my own panel anymore, therefore this solutiona second MIDI channel to control the AOUTs via MIDIThe last point requires some conceptional changes (internally), therefore this effort can only be made by myself (I know how, but I guess that the implementation and testing will take at least 2 days) - on the other hand: the current solution already works very fine. You can connect an analog filter to the SID and control it with the filter out of the modulation matrix (the SID filter should switched off), or you can use the three PW outs of the matrix when only saw/tri/noise sounds are played, and/or additionally the pitch outs when oscillators are disabled. But this solution won't be compatible with the planned one, therefore I haven't released it yet.Btw.: the AOUT module gives me the possibility to display the envelopes - it was a very useful debugging feature :) Here some impressions:Best Regards, Thorsten. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
d2k Posted January 23, 2004 Report Share Posted January 23, 2004 2004 looks the year of the SID :) again...:P Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wilba Posted January 23, 2004 Author Report Share Posted January 23, 2004 Wow...a special button combination which switches the LED matrix of the control surface between common and AOUT matrix --- I will never change my own panel anymore, therefore this solutionWell if you're never changing the panel, there's no need for me to add any buttons/LEDs/encoders since they'll never get used in any official SID release. I'll post a design concept soon for some expert feedback ;-)Thanks TK,Wilba Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arumblack Posted January 23, 2004 Report Share Posted January 23, 2004 hey, before i get building more sid modules.....will theese changes require new boards? or will you use an expansion board? or do you only chnge the software? ( i know the aout will be a separate board.). thanks and great job, now i am even more excited....(like that's possible?) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TK. Posted January 25, 2004 Report Share Posted January 25, 2004 Hi,no, it's just a software enhancement. No additional core module is required. In difference to the original AOUT schematic the module has to be connected to pin RC.0, RC.1 and RC.3 (J6 of the core module)Best Regards, Thorsten./edit: pins corrected Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arumblack Posted January 25, 2004 Report Share Posted January 25, 2004 awesome! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wilba Posted January 27, 2004 Author Report Share Posted January 27, 2004 In difference to the original AOUT schematic the module has to be connected to pin RC.0, RC.1 and RC.2 (J6 of the core module)I think TK meant pins RC.0, RC.1 and RC.3, since RC.2 is already used as an optional 1MHz clock for the SID chip. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TK. Posted January 27, 2004 Report Share Posted January 27, 2004 Hi Wilba,you are absolutely correct - I've fixed this in the posting aboveBest Regards, Thorsten. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wilba Posted January 27, 2004 Author Report Share Posted January 27, 2004 Can I assume that the AOUT module schematic http://www.ucapps.de/mbhp/mbhp_aout.pdf is final and order some MAX525 and MAX6007B samples?How do you get the +12v/-12v supply?Can you publish a schematic (or at least chips I should bundle with my Maxim order) for getting the -12V DC supply from the MB SID supply (C64 PSU or 15v DC transformer)? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TK. Posted January 29, 2004 Report Share Posted January 29, 2004 Hi Wilba,like already mentioned somewhere else in the forum, the AOUT circuit is stable, I will maybe add some caps (although they are not really required, but just to improve the quality), and I will add an additional port to the upcoming AOUT_MUX module before starting with the layout (AOUT_MUX won't be supported by MIDIbox SID!)> How do you get the +12v/-12v supply? I'm using the same one like for the LFOs:http://www.ucapps.de/midibox_ext/lfo/lfo_powersupply.pdfI guess it makes no sense to use a voltage converter for the negative voltage, you definitely want to have stable (and not pumping) signalsBest Regards, Thorsten. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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