Sasha Posted September 9, 2007 Report Share Posted September 9, 2007 PROJECT STATUS:PCBs manufactured and awaiting for panels so can be shipped together with PCBWho is not interested in panels can get the PCB now. Just PM me.Still awaiting for second, corrected lasercut steal panel.Found a service for screen printingUSEFUL x0xb0x RELATED PAGESx0xb0x rare parts post: http://www.midibox.org/forum/index.php/topic,10364.msg78342.html-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------I am going to make slightly modified x0xb0x PCBs for my own needs in local company, so I would like to gather some people to share the initial costs and get some discount by ordering 10 instead of 2 PCBs that I need.Both boards will cost about 40EUR if 10 of us share the costs of preproduction and cut the price with quantity. Somebody interested?Modifications:main PCB will have all buttons inline, so button caps can be rotated 90 degrees and won`t stick out of line.io PCB will have pads for connecting the wires for power switch so no trace cutting is needed.Panel:I can offer laser cut acrylic or CNC aluminum powder coated panels and laser engrave. Waterjet steel thick or any other material are also an option. (I am planing to use thick watercut sidepanels)Here is few pix of design developing...I printed artwork on transparent foil and lay it over piece of acrylic, so I can test the colours and place different knobs on top to make final decision.I will also have illuminated buttons instead of LEDs on panel. Only visible LEDs will be 3mm white diffused for sequencer steps. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthernLightX Posted September 9, 2007 Report Share Posted September 9, 2007 Beautiful stuff, but I want to make 303ish sounds with my SID, and am building a SEQ for the sequencing part. There are also some other projects I want to finish, so I can't take the extra work, sorry. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stryd_one Posted September 9, 2007 Report Share Posted September 9, 2007 Same here.... It does look darn nice though mate!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sasha Posted September 9, 2007 Author Report Share Posted September 9, 2007 NP. I am preparing this project for later. It takes some time to collect all rare and harder to get parts from different suppliers, I wont start it soon. I didnt finished some of my MB projects, but it is the way I`m functioning. I am rolling few different things in parallel so I never get bored with one of them. Something is fun to do, something not (like wiring). After some time all projects are getting finished, more less in same time. My pore mother and girlfriend have problem with it as I need to keep my project all over the house until they are done. I really need to finish my basement workshop. ::) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cimo Posted September 9, 2007 Report Share Posted September 9, 2007 ..eheh poor women!! ..sasha it looks amazing beautiful!! keep us posted with details of buttons, panels etc, you know you are a source of inspiration for many here!simone Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b-funk Posted September 9, 2007 Report Share Posted September 9, 2007 hi sasha,i would be interested in a set of xoxbox pcb´s, but first i have to source the components. if i remember right, the xoxbox uses all originial parts, right?did you already find a source for the hard to get transistors? and i think a ba662a is also needed? very expensive. but the ram chip set is sold frequently on ebay for a reasonable price...maybe we do something like a small group buy for the hard to find parts?best wishes,tobias Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sasha Posted September 9, 2007 Author Report Share Posted September 9, 2007 Sure. I`ll make one page somewhere once I finish it. I wanted to do panel out of red anodized aluminum from Shaeffer, but they say that small panel cost 170EUR to ship to Serbia??? For that money i can buy 2 way ticket to Berlin and get panel personally. That is definitely craziest thing somebody told me. I received few times much heavier and bigger parcels from Albs for normal shipping costs: 15-16EUR. I asked Albs what service they used to send me the goods, but still no answer. I might be forced to ship panel to somebody in Germany and than to Serbia, but this is just a temporary solution. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sasha Posted September 9, 2007 Author Report Share Posted September 9, 2007 hi sasha,i would be interested in a set of xoxbox pcb´s, but first i have to source the components. if i remember right, the xoxbox uses all originial parts, right?Cool. Some are parts are different, but very close to original. By carefully selecting trannies with highest hfe you can get much closer to the original.did you already find a source for the hard to get transistors? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b-funk Posted September 9, 2007 Report Share Posted September 9, 2007 170 euro shipping costs? :owow, they know how to make money...and i thought dhl is expensive (17 €)but, surprise, i live in berlin, so it should be no problem to get the panel directly from schaeffer and send it to you. about the ba662a: yes, i know that it can be substituted with ba6110, but, hey, if i´m going to build it, it should be original. but if you already sourced all parts, and they are reasonable priced, i think i can invest 30 € for a ba662. vintageplanet.nl carries them.best wishes,tobias Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sasha Posted September 9, 2007 Author Report Share Posted September 9, 2007 but, surprise, i live in berlin, so it should be no problem to get the panel directly from schaeffer and send it to you. Cool, thanks. I need to check with MTE first, as I didn`t payed him yet for the button capps I reserved, ao he can sentd both things to me in same package. We`ll be in touch.about the ba662a: yes, i know that it can be substituted with ba6110, but, hey, if i´m going to build it, it should be original. but if you already sourced all parts, and they are reasonable priced, i think i can invest 30 € for a ba662. vintageplanet.nl carries them.Man, don`t fool yourself. The sound is what is important, not the part. If there is no difference (somebody did serious specter tests) it is really crazy to give 30EUR just to know it has original Roland part. Actually I have one in my half-working Juno 60 but want use it. Really makes no sense. 30 EUR is not much if you get better sound, but if not, better put that 30EUR to make some fancy custom case instead of plastic PT-10, but that is your money, I just like to drown your attention that maybe no difference. :-\ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b-funk Posted September 9, 2007 Report Share Posted September 9, 2007 well, sure you´re right, but on the other hand... what i think i´ll do is to compare both chips - a friend of mine has also a juno, and there are some ba6110 on my shelf, so it´s easy to do a direct comparison...we´ll see.best wishes,tobias. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sasha Posted September 9, 2007 Author Report Share Posted September 9, 2007 Please do it. ;) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaicen Posted September 9, 2007 Report Share Posted September 9, 2007 Sasha, i'm in for a x0xb0x PCB if you get them made for sure. Can you price it up for us and let us know the final cost with the group buy stuff (once you're done, no rush). There's no way i'm shelling out the £300 that the real thing costs (x0xb0x that is!), but if it can be built for say, £100-150 i'd be happy with that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sasha Posted September 9, 2007 Author Report Share Posted September 9, 2007 Well, it is hard to have final price as I dont know how many of us are interested and for what. You are in UK, and almost all parts you can buy locally, at least all rare parts. We can organize, and somebody in US can help in organizing buy from www.cpcares.com They have 2SC1583 for just 0.90$ compared to 6.28EUR that we need to pay in www.dalbani.co.uk Crazy thing is that cpcares dont have any email to contact them. Maybe someone could skyped them to get more informations about ordering.There's no way i'm shelling out the £300 that the real thing costs (x0xb0x that is!), but if it can be built for say, £100-150 i'd be happy with that.I believe we can do it easily for that money. :) I am building excel BOM with prices and sources for all parts, and also have "project" list at Mouser. I`ll publish some prices so you can have a clue about costs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sasha Posted September 9, 2007 Author Report Share Posted September 9, 2007 3x 2SC1583: 2.7 EUR instead 18.84 EUR ...not bad :)2x 2SK30A-O: 1.68 EUR2x AN6562: 2.5 EUR1x 2SC2291: 3 EUR instead 6.84 EUR 1x LA4140: 0.47EUR1x BA6110: 1.48EUR24x 2SC536F: 24EUR 18.24 EUR Changed30.7 EUR for all rare parts and this is without any discount, so it can get lower!Parts from Mouser are about 10 EUR, but i didnt calculate knobs, as I dont know which one am I going to use... so prices are really not big. There is some orders from Digykey (buttons, caps, 2 absolute encoders...) nothing very expensive. If we organize well we can make our x0x for very, very nice price. ;) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheAncientOne Posted September 9, 2007 Report Share Posted September 9, 2007 Please put me down for one as well - I don't really like the standard x0x front panel either, though I quite like the Pactec case.Another really inspirational design Sasha, why some company doesn't employ you to design their synth cases I don't know... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sasha Posted September 9, 2007 Author Report Share Posted September 9, 2007 Please put me down for one as well - I don't really like the standard x0x front panel either, though I quite like the Pactec case.Cool, we are growing. :) I personally dont like their panel too, that is only reason why I wanted to do my own. I didn`t liked 5mm LEDs used for x0x, and especially the clear super-bright LEDs that comes with the kit. Very unhealthy for your eyes.Another really inspirational design Sasha, why some company doesn't employ you to design their synth cases I don't know...Thank you professor, I`m glad you like it. About employment... well, I want start another story about the country I am living in... :( Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bugfight Posted September 9, 2007 Report Share Posted September 9, 2007 i'm interested in this.this won't require any soldering iron kissing though, right?hehe... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sasha Posted September 9, 2007 Author Report Share Posted September 9, 2007 No, I run trough x0x manual, and I didn`t find anything about it, so I guess that technique is not really necessary. ;) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wisefire Posted September 9, 2007 Report Share Posted September 9, 2007 im in if its a full kit (i cant stand searching for all the parts individually) ie.. the parts on the board.. pots knobs, buttons, switches is a different story.. but if all the electronical fiddly bits (actual technical term!) are included.. im in.. oh and obviously a nice price but as i said.. thats obvious.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reboot Posted September 9, 2007 Report Share Posted September 9, 2007 Sashacount for me in your project if you start pcb's ;) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sasha Posted September 9, 2007 Author Report Share Posted September 9, 2007 Well, I really dont plan to sell full kits. It needs money to invest and I have no money for many kits. Because of lack of money I am gathering people to share the costs for those PCBs. This is not my commercial project.For full kit there is ladyada waiting list so you can give it a try. I am already on their list, so if you want I can give you my ordering code once I get it, so you can buy it. I won`t wait for it...If we want to make it cheaper we need to find good way to organize parts group buying as they are in different countries. Some effort we all must put in.I am really happy that I can buy all rare parts and have chance to build it. People are waiting for so long to buy full kit. :-\ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wisefire Posted September 9, 2007 Report Share Posted September 9, 2007 then im out.. the fact that it takes some rare parts.. and a tish load of tweaking.. i rather go with my sid first.. still good luck.. !! love to see the end result!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bugfight Posted September 9, 2007 Report Share Posted September 9, 2007 are you going to include panels and those cool buttons, or just pcb? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abcmann Posted September 10, 2007 Report Share Posted September 10, 2007 hell yeah. I am in for at least one set. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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