I searched and checked the pic burning tutorial but couldn't find any specific instructions. I haven't used the MPLAB software suite before. I imported the hex file and uploaded it to the chip but I must have missed something. When I start up MIOS studio I don't get the Sysex messages, I get some sort of message that repeats, I will post the specific message tomorrow. I checked the voltages on the pic and the midi connections, I really think it's the pic burning thats the problem. Thanks for any help,