TomViolenz

Thanks a lot for your response :) I will look into all this gear, and come probably back with some more questions :) Cheers

Hey Jerome, I had contacted you before for this board and I am very happy to read that new bulk orders are comming up for an improved version. I want to use these boards to built a controller with as many led lit encoders with a push functionality for 8 channels as possible (I'm refering to 8 columns here, so just like your board). So here come a few questions from a noob :-) 1) How many of these boards can I stack on top of each other at the maximum, 4 or 8?! (I think if I understood you right, the last version allowed for 4 while this one allows for 8 - is this right?) So this would then be at maximum 8 columns of 16 encoders each, correct?! (If it's just 8 columns of 8 encoders each that would also be very usefull) 2) I didn't quite get how far these new boards come already pre-assembled. Are the Leds already functionaly applied (i.e. soldered)? How about the encoders(with push functionality?)?! Not that I necessarily expect that, but the wording in one of your post made me think that this is an option. Since this would be my very first forray into building a controller, I would of course welcome that. 3.) What other hardware would I need to get these boards to work? Could you point me into the right direction for the necessary information? 4.) Is there a possibiltity to add one 60 or 100mm fader per channel ( meaning 8 in total) directly below the last encoder in each column? What would I need for this. and 5.) Somewhat unrelated (though if this was something that I could incorporate into the same controller that would be even more awsome, especially if it could follow somewhat the same dimensions) I was looking into building a controller with 8 small (non springloaded) joysticks, so that I can adjust the x-y stereo placement of 8 channels precisely (using the Panorama 5 plug-in that has this functionality, so this should be a Midi joystick). What kind of board would I need for that and could this be still controlled with the same controll board as the above mentioned encoders and faders.? Thank you ever so much for your great work and your responses :-) Cheers Tom

Cool thanks for clearing that up. I'm not sure the little marking would bother me much, but I think the time for ordering knobs has not arrived for me yet ;-)

A couple quick questions regarding the encoders: What would be better optical or mechanical. What does slotted end/flattend end mean, which one is appropiate? Should I go for the Life cycle maximum, or does that add to much cost for too little gain? What is a good life cyle value? Thanks again!

COOL :-) I really appreciate the help! Thanks

I'll check them! I was just so insistant about it, because another poster told me that this combination does unfourtunately not exist. So i'm glad it does :-)

Hey thanks again, For the encoders I'm missing the combination I want: without detent, with push do you know of a source for this kind? Otherwise I will either have to remove the detents or try to buy from the industry supplier. Because detents would totally ruin it for my application. And yeah, I'm looking forward to a lot of learning... (For instance I didn't even know what detents were a day ago ;-) )

Hey Duggle thanks for answering so quickly! Since you are a Push user maybe I can already give something small back. Lives own devices have really shitty mappings in Push, so we have set out in the Live forums to remedy this and changed the device.pyc file with a really great mapping for all instruments and FX: Check it out and get the download link here: https://forum.ableton.com/viewtopic.php?f=55&t=198946 Congratulations on Push btw. It's a great experience! (I'm still saving up for mine) For how I want to use this Matrix Mixer I have to explain my "art" first. I am more a painter in sound than a musician really (or want to be ;-) ) The idea to this is already used by people like Toshimaruna Akamura http://www.furious.com/perfect/toshimarunakamura.html What I want to do for this is "play" feed back like an instrument. For this I make 6 return tracks and activate all the sends in these return tracks. I use one track as input (This will be a bus track for several other tracks). The first column of 8 encoders will be assigned to the 6 sends of the bus track and level + pan. The next six columns of 8 encoders each will be assigned to the 6 sends of each return track and the respective levels and pan. The last column of encoders will be assigned to level and cue of the master and the 6 others to filter freq and gain in 3 filters in EQ8 (HP, Peak, LP). The push functionality of each encoder will get Midi assigned xTriggers that I set up in the user remote utility clyphX. The xTriggers will basically have the function to automatically lower the parameter the encoder was controlling to -inf over the duration of 1 Bar. This is basically an emergency brake for this parameter, because feed back can get nasty FAST! I hope I made it clear and interesting :-) Would you have a link to the endless push button encoders without detents that you used? I have only found in my google searches one company and they seem to be for big industry sales only (you had to inquire for quotes). I would also appreciate if you could link to discussions that let a lay person understand the LPC17 core module and Midibox NG firmware and their function that would already help a lot. Thanks for your kind help :smile: Tom

Hello everyone in this great community :smile: I came across this thread because this is almost exactly what I would like to have and since no-one is selling something like this, I decided to take the jump and try to build my own. From reading a few threads here it looks like I came to the right place! :-) I first want to describe my abilities: -I can't program, and even though that might not make me popular here, I would also like to avoid learning it. (Some scripting is ok I guess) I consider myself rather a dedicated musician, who want's his instrument to be juuust right! :-) And controllers are my instruments! -I still have to learn how to solder, but think that shouldn't be that hard to learn. I'm usually quite the handyman ;-) Now to my goal: -I want to build a matrix mixer in an 8x8 layout of 64 push endless encoders, without detents and LED ring - I'm willing to remove the detents myself if no such product exists with push and without detents. -I would like the encoders to be butter smooth and precise so a higher resolution than 128 data points would be most welcome. -I don't need any preset handling or displays (other than the rings) because I have a specific need for the device and all encoders will be permanently Midi assigned to fixed parameters in Ableton Live. -I would like the push part of the encoder to be independently assignable to Midi commands other than the ones controlled by the encoder when it is turned. -I would like the device to be powered by USB from the Laptop if possible. So my questions are: -Would this be achievable under the given circumstances? -What parts do I need and where can I buy them -What software packages do I need and just generally how will I get the device to talk to Live - Are there blog posts or threads, where a project like this, or something close to this, is documented, so I could closely follow the advice therein. -What other skills/knowledge do I need to aquire before I have a chance to succeed -What costs am I looking at for realizing the project (just the parts) (The casing not considered) I will really appreciate any help and pointers I could get from you guys and apologize if these kind of newbee questions where posted in the wrong part of the forum! Thanks, Tom