well, just heard back from mouser on the encoders with led rings... i asked for a quote on 16 pcs., and they came back with $87.00 each. :o yikes. apparently the minimum order for the part is 480 pcs., so they quoted me a "sample" price. if ordered in bulk, starting at 480 pcs, they go for $32.42. seems cheaper to just buy a behringer and rip the pots out! oh well, it seemed like a good idea at the time... cheers bruce