More info: core 8 with 18F452 PIC,ULN's mounted on DOUT board, relays and core powered separately from a 12 volt motorcycle battery, relays are 90 ohm 133ma at 12 volts,each relay has a flyback diode and series diode to isolate 2 ranks. Tried a couple of things: moved the outputs of DOUT group 3 01,02,04 05 that didn't work to group 4 01,02,04 05 and sent each a midi signal separately and they worked, tried again and they didn't work. Some,but not all, of the outputs feed 2 relays each with a separate +12 common buss. For now these are tied together, I will see what happens if I remove one, but since some of the outputs that don't work only feed 1 relay I can't see that it would make a difference. Thanks for your help.