cogsmech Posted November 21, 2008 Report Share Posted November 21, 2008 Hi folks, I tried not to come here but I'm lost. Please help! Ok, I've got a core hooked to just one din for now to try to get familiar with the system. I built the boards a week or so ago and couldn't get it working. I am a total newbie. I do have many hours in the forum and other places starting befor I even ordered the parts from smash tv. Initially I thought the problem was the octocoupler from some reading and the fact that I accidentally soldered it in without the socket. I bought 3 new octos from mouser and have tried two so I don't think that's the problem. Everything appears to be ok to me except that shorting the pins does nothing, even tried another din. Here's what I have on power up in midiox (no lcd) TIMESTAMP IN PORT STATUS DATA1 DATA2 CHAN NOTE EVENT 001ADBCB 1 1 F0 Buffer: 2 Bytes System Exclusive SYSX: F0 F7 001ADBCD 1 1 F0 Buffer: 8 Bytes System Exclusive SYSX: F0 00 00 7E 40 00 01 F7Is this normal? I pretty much followed the midio mysteries pdf plus the diagrams on the smash tv site and have used the original (sample) ini . I followed the troubleshooting as much as I can ( I'm not a technician) I have a beautiful 32 note pedalboard just begging to come to life!! Please, please help!! Thank you very much, Conrad Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stryd_one Posted November 21, 2008 Report Share Posted November 21, 2008 Hi folks, I tried not to come hereWhy? :-[ everyone's welcome here! :DFirstly - the optocoupler has nothing to do with the DINs, or vice versa. Let's disconnect the DIN module, and just work on the core and it's MIDI in/outs. First thing is to follow the midi troubleshooting process on ucapps.de (follow my signature) and post your results.... I'll wait :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cogsmech Posted November 21, 2008 Author Report Share Posted November 21, 2008 Hello sir, I know I'm supposed to go as far as I can before I ask for help is all and all the posts I see everyone seems so smart. Ok well thank you very, very much for the reply. test prog 1. not sure what that means. test core 1, yes but is it right? # is a100abc, does polarity matter? test core 2, N/A? brand new from smash. test core 3, checked and checked and checked, I haven't done much electronics soldering but I do plenty of copper pipe silver soldering and understand how it flows, I think I did a pretty good job! also checked some with a continuity tester. test core 4, all checks out at 5.06 test core 5, all checks at 5.06 except j3, I cant find it. test core 6, this is where I started having problems, I,m not sure how to do this, I don,t get voltage when checked between the two points indicated. test core 7, I get .-0.16 one way and 0.20 the other way, not sure if I'm doing this right. test core 8, both about 217 test core 9, check test core 10, I don't get excess messages test core 11, cap is soldered well, I don't have a spare plus I haven't got a message like that test out 1, I have leds on my usb adaptor and they both flash ( tascam us 122l) I don't have any others test out 2, should I disconnect this? test pc 1, appears to be fine test pc 2, not sure what the settings should be, tried 256 and 512 and 60 ms. I'm kinda out of time right now. Am I going in the right direction? Thank you very much for your time, Conrad Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cogsmech Posted November 21, 2008 Author Report Share Posted November 21, 2008 I just started my quest for midi again and I don't know if it'll help but I have +5v on the out midi port from center (ground?)to both of the terminals in question and nothing at all on the in port. Thanks!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stryd_one Posted November 21, 2008 Report Share Posted November 21, 2008 ( tascam us 122l)http://www.midibox.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=midi_interface_blacklistDamn. That's a problem.... You're going to need another interface.test core 6, this is where I started having problems, I,m not sure how to do this, I don,t get voltage when checked between the two points indicated.The idea there is just to make sure you soldered the plugs to the PCB correctly. If you have a smashtv core and have soldered the socket directly to the board, it's correct. test core 7, I get .-0.16 one way and 0.20 the other way, not sure if I'm doing this right.Again this is just to confirm you have it inserted in the correct direction.test out 2, should I disconnect this?nope don't worry about thattest pc 2, not sure what the settings should be, tried 256 and 512 and 60 ms. I'm kinda out of time right now. Am I going in the right direction?You're going in the right direction. When you complete test pc2 by sending sysex, you will find that the interface does not recieve the same as what you send. This is why the interface you have is in the blacklist. Hopefully it is still within warranty, and you can ask for a refund/replacement.Once you get past that little hurdle, continue with the remaining tests if you still have trouble. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cogsmech Posted November 21, 2008 Author Report Share Posted November 21, 2008 Would a regular us 122 work? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cogsmech Posted November 21, 2008 Author Report Share Posted November 21, 2008 I haven't seen a "blacklist" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stryd_one Posted November 21, 2008 Report Share Posted November 21, 2008 I haven't seen a "blacklist"Now you have ;)Would a regular us 122 work?I doubt there's much difference, but do the test if you have one handy :)OT: dioioib, thankyou for updating the blacklist when you found the dud interfaces the other day, it completely slipped my mind. bigup. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cogsmech Posted November 21, 2008 Author Report Share Posted November 21, 2008 Sorry I didn't see the link. Thanks again for your time and I shall report back :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cogsmech Posted November 28, 2008 Author Report Share Posted November 28, 2008 Hello and happy holidays!! I'm back and still no midi :( I bought a midisport 1x1, tried several drivers, and the communications still don't appear to match. Actually it seems worse. When I send an upload or sysex, I can't tell if it's working.What am I looking for in midiox and mios studio as far as messages from the midibox? I tried sending the midio 128 syx through the loop back and I'm not getting matched input and output. I'm feeling kinda lost. I even tried using another computer. Please help!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cogsmech Posted November 28, 2008 Author Report Share Posted November 28, 2008 I'm trying different low level output buffers and delays working with the loopback, trying to get the messages to match. Sometimes I am getting long strains of control messages in blue and sometimes have to disconnect the midi cable to stop it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cogsmech Posted November 29, 2008 Author Report Share Posted November 29, 2008 Still no luck. Should I get note messages after only uploading the midio 128 hex, or does it need the separate ini. file? In which case shouldn't I be more concerned with mios studio than midiox? Thanks!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stryd_one Posted November 29, 2008 Report Share Posted November 29, 2008 Heya mate. Well the midisport is one of the ones the guys here recommend... If you have a physical cable (not a virtual loopback like hubi's) going out of the ms1x1, and looping back to the ms1x1's input, then you should receive exactly what you send....Sometimes I am getting long strains of control messages in blue and sometimes have to disconnect the midi cable to stop it.That sounds like a feedback loop. Perhaps you have the PC (mios studio or hubis or something) setup to echo it's input to it's output. Then, you have input --> output --> input --> output --> etc, forever. That's no good.Still no luck. Should I get note messages after only uploading the midio 128 hex, or does it need the separate ini. file? In which case shouldn't I be more concerned with mios studio than midiox? Thanks!!!Let's get the midi interface to behave first :)Perhaps, if the hints above don't help, you could upload a screenshot of your mios studio routing page? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cogsmech Posted November 29, 2008 Author Report Share Posted November 29, 2008 Hello my friend, honestly, I'm feeling totally lost. I don't know hnow to send a screenshot of mios studio, however, the port routing appears to be correct if in goes to in, and out to out. If not I don't know how to change them.Yes I have an actual cable going from in to out on the midisport, and when I send the Midio128 hex.,I see stuff in the output monitor and not the input monitor.I don't see what could cause an "echo" as you describe.I don't know if it helps, but I have recieved ok checksums.Thanks!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stryd_one Posted November 29, 2008 Report Share Posted November 29, 2008 No sweat mate. Here's how to take a screenshot:get the thing you want to show me, on screenhold down ALT, and while holding it, press the 'prt scr' key on your keyboard (then release ALT) (that will copy what you see in the current application, to the clipboard)Open window's 'Paint' application (pbrush.exe, you should be able to find it in your start menu)paste into there, and save as .jpgThen upload the file here :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cogsmech Posted November 29, 2008 Author Report Share Posted November 29, 2008 It seems the file is too large to upload. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Labelwhore Posted November 29, 2008 Report Share Posted November 29, 2008 try saving the screenshot as a .png they are much smaller than .jpg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stryd_one Posted November 29, 2008 Report Share Posted November 29, 2008 even a jpg should not be so large. I think you saved as bmp. You don't just type in the filename with .jpg at the end, you need to use the dropdown box labelled "save as type" or something like that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cogsmech Posted November 29, 2008 Author Report Share Posted November 29, 2008 Ok, got it now thanks. I really am a novicemios.JPGmios.JPG Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stryd_one Posted November 29, 2008 Report Share Posted November 29, 2008 Cool :) Your routing is correct. If you are not running any other MIDI software on your PC, then there should not be any feedback loop.As the midisport is often recommended by others, I would expect it to work... And we know that MIOS Studio works... The only thing that seems to be left out, is the cable. Just to confirm, can you please paste the text from mios studio's input and output monitor windows, into a new post? I don't want a screenshot, I'd like to paste it into a comparison tool, so I need text - and it's important that it's copy+paste, not read+type :) (There should be far too much to type anyway hehehe)Edit: I forgot to scroll your screenshot. Derrr. Sorry. I see it's not receiving *anything* you send. Are you sure that a MIDI cable is connected with one end in the midisport input, and the other end of the cable in the midisport output? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cogsmech Posted November 29, 2008 Author Report Share Posted November 29, 2008 Is this what you wanted? Input monitor is blank.mios out.JPGmios out.JPG Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cogsmech Posted November 30, 2008 Author Report Share Posted November 30, 2008 I tried a different midi cable and it's the same Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stryd_one Posted November 30, 2008 Report Share Posted November 30, 2008 Are you sure that a MIDI cable is connected with one end in the midisport input, and the other end of the cable in the midisport output? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cogsmech Posted November 30, 2008 Author Report Share Posted November 30, 2008 yes i'm sure. I just tried my us 122l and the input matched the output Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cogsmech Posted November 30, 2008 Author Report Share Posted November 30, 2008 Don't know if this helps. Mios hooked to core through us 122lmios to core.JPGmios to core.JPG Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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