fussylizard Posted September 11, 2011 Report Share Posted September 11, 2011 I'm not understanding how the seq works regarding tracks, groups, patterns, and songs. Hopefully someone can set me straight. I have read (as well as read the manual, watched videos, searched the forum, wasted hours fiddling, etc.) but I'm still stuck. I'm basically trying to start by making a simple song. So I fire up the seq, create a new session, go to the edit screen for group 1 track 1, and get some notes playing on an outboard synth. So far so good. Next I want to copy my synth line and make a variation. I think I need to copy the track, select a different pattern, and then paste the copied track into the new pattern and edit away, but I don't see how to select different patterns. How do I specify which pattern I want to edit? How do I know which pattern I'm editing? Do I need to be in song mode or phrase mode when creating patterns? I tried doing copy, then going to the pattern screen and switching group 1 from 1:A1 to 1:A2 and then doing paste, but that doesn't seem to do what I want either. Anyway, once I have multiple patterns defined, I believe I need to go to the song screen, and select song mode, and select the pattern I want for each step in the song. This part looks straightforward. So I've been looking all through the pattern menu, save menu, and song menu, but I just can't seem to sort this out. What am I missing here? But even without being able to create more than a single pattern, the seq has been super fun. An incredible design. Hats off to TK and the others that made this happen. TIA, C Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TK. Posted September 11, 2011 Report Share Posted September 11, 2011 Instead of copy&pasting the pattern, you could also go to the SAVE page (press MENU+GP#14), and store the current pattern to a new location. In this page, use GP#1 encoder to select the group (resp. one of 4 patterns that are currently running), and GP#7 encoder to select the pattern slot (A1..H8). (*) Press SAVE (GP#8 button) -> give the pattern a name -> done Pattern selection: go to the pattern menu. Now you can change the pattern of the 4 groups directly with GP#4, GP#8, GP#12, GP#16 encoders. You can also use the GP buttons to change the pattern of the selected group, use GP#1..GP#8 to select A..H (this won't lead to a change, but preselect the pattern set), and then GP#9..16 to select 1..8 Once you've entered the pattern number, the pattern will either change immediately, or synched to the measure depending on the selection that you made in the options page. I tried doing copy, then going to the pattern screen and switching group 1 from 1:A1 to 1:A2 and then doing paste, but that doesn't seem to do what I want either. The copy function either copies the steps only, or all steps + parameters. This can be configured in the options page. But for a 1:1 copy, just use the SAVE function. Best Regards, Thorsten. (*) The pattern bank can be changed with GP#6, but it's recommended to let it assigned to the group. Means: G1 should use Bank1, G2 should use Bank2, etc... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fussylizard Posted September 12, 2011 Author Report Share Posted September 12, 2011 Thanks for clarifying the intended workflow TK. That helps a lot! I was playing with the seq some more and another thing that I think I was overlooking is that you have to save your pattern before switching to a different one. I was confused before since I thought the seq was saving all the patterns for me as I went. But the correct workflow seems to be: - Create a pattern in A1 - Save it into A1 - Save it into A2 (copy A1 into A2) - Switch to A2 via the pattern screen - Edit A2 to create a variation - Save A2 into A2 - Save A2 into A3 (copy A2 into A3)...etc. I am getting much better results now that I'm saving, LOL! Thanks! C Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fussylizard Posted September 12, 2011 Author Report Share Posted September 12, 2011 One more thing to ask you seq expert users out there. Given that 4 tracks are saved with each pattern, any recommendations on how to best organize things? I thinking I would use G1T1 for drums, G2T1 for bass, G3T1 for lead, and G4T1 for something other stuff. That seems logical but also seems wasteful since I am only using 1 track per group. Any tips on what has worked best for you? Thanks, C Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hawkeye Posted September 12, 2011 Report Share Posted September 12, 2011 Hi fussylizard, it surely is not the "standard" way to use the seq - but for live fun, i mostly use the 16 tracks as individual synced-unmutable sequences (like ableton clips), this is mostly always enough for a song and its variations (am not using song mode or pattern switching at all). You can organize the tracks (shift them around to bring them in a more logical order) with the new cool "track clone" feature. Greets and have fun! Peter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fussylizard Posted September 13, 2011 Author Report Share Posted September 13, 2011 Hi fussylizard, it surely is not the "standard" way to use the seq - but for live fun, i mostly use the 16 tracks as individual synced-unmutable sequences (like ableton clips), this is mostly always enough for a song and its variations (am not using song mode or pattern switching at all). You can organize the tracks (shift them around to bring them in a more logical order) with the new cool "track clone" feature. Greets and have fun! Peter So you just do track mutes to switch stuff then? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hawkeye Posted September 13, 2011 Report Share Posted September 13, 2011 So you just do track mutes to switch stuff then? Yo :-) With the new synced unmute/Mute feature, it works as cool as synced clip starts/stops in ableton :-) The seq can do soo much more... but using it like this alone is already 1000% awesome :-) Greets! Peter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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