Question re: forwarding events

[Duggle]

I have an encoder to send synth patch bank change, its a CC (to avoid confusion I'll call it Sbank).

I have an encoder to send a  patch change, its a PrgChange message.

I have a button to trigger a dump request, it's a sysex  message.

These controllers are all now working.

 

What I want to have happen is this:

• When a change of bank is made with it's encoder:

1. Sbank change is sent
2. Whatever value the PrgChange was, it gets sent again (this is what actually changes the patch/bank in the synth)
3. A dump request gets sent (this updates the MIDIbox with all values in the new patch)

• When the PrgChange encoder is changed:

1. The new PrgChange gets sent
2. A dump request gets sent

Can forwarding to SENDER be made to work this way or do I have resort to meta=RunSection:xx

or do I need to combine them to do what I described?

[Duggle]

This is what I have tried:

#Virus state dump    
EVENT_BUTTON id=4  fwd_id=LED:37  button_mode=OnOff type=SysEx stream="0xf0 0x00 0x20 0x33 0x01 0x00 0x30 0x00 0x40 0xf7" 

###SBank Select -> Progchange -> Dump request
EVENT_ENC id= 65 hw_id= 65 fwd_id=SENDER:1  fwd_to_lcd=1 chn= 1 type=CC cc=0 range=0:7  ports=1000100000001000 enc_speed_mode=Slow:4 label="^Sbanksel"  
EVENT_SENDER id=1  type=Meta  meta=RunSection:12

####Progchange -> Dump request
EVENT_ENC id= 66 hw_id= 66 fwd_id=BUTTON:4 fwd_to_lcd=1 chn= 1 type=ProgramChange range=0:127  ports=1000100000001000 enc_speed_mode=Slow:4 label="^prgch"

 

and the run script:

if ^section == 12
    delay_ms 100
    LCD "@(23:1:1)trigger ENC"
    trigger ENC:66
    LCD "@(23:1:2)trigger button"
    trigger BUTTON:4
exit
endif 

Encoder 65 and 66 and button 4 work as controllers here, but there is no evidence of events being forwarded:

Here's moving the Encoder 65:

[10641.717] MBNG_ENC_NotifyChange(65, -1)
[10641.718] [EVENT] id=ENC:65 hw_id=ENC:65 bank=0 fwd_id=SENDER:1 type=CC value=1 label=^banksel
[10641.718] MBNG_EVENT_ItemReceive(1, 0) (Sender)

Here's moving Encoder 66:

[10774.467] MBNG_ENC_NotifyChange(66, 1)
[10774.467] [EVENT] id=ENC:66 hw_id=ENC:66 bank=0 fwd_id=BUTTON:4 type=ProgramChange value=24 label=^prgch
[10774.467] MBNG_DIN_NotifyReceivedValue(4, 25)
[10774.468] MBNG_DOUT_NotifyReceivedValue(37, 25)

 

It seems the notifications are generated, but not the forwarded actions themselves?

Is there a simpler way to achieve the intent?

[Duggle]

The order in which controls are defined in NGC is important.

If a control forwards to a sender, the sender has to be defined first.

If the EVENT_SENDER  is defined after the EVENT_ENC then debug output shows fwd_id=DISABLED.

According to debug output the following works for what I described in the OP.

###Dump request
EVENT_SENDER id=2 type=SysEx stream="0xf0 0x00 0x20 0x33 0x01 0x00 0x30 0x00 0x40 0xf7" 

####Progchange -> Dump request
EVENT_ENC id= 66 hw_id= 66 fwd_id=SENDER:2 fwd_to_lcd=1 chn=1 type=ProgramChange range=0:127 label="^prgch"

###Bank Select -> Progchange -> Dump request
EVENT_ENC id= 65 hw_id= 65 fwd_id=ENC:66  fwd_to_lcd=1 chn= 1 type=CC cc=0 range=0:7 label="^banksel"  

The synth is not responding reliably. I will try implementing a delay between operations by calling an NGR run section.

 

[TK.]

I'm surprised, because the order of EVENT definitions shouldn't matter.

 

"show pool" shows, that the fwd_id is set correctly:

[773001.402] show pool
[773001.404] 3 Events in pool:
[773001.404] [EVENT] id=ENC:66 hw_id=ENC:66 bank=0 fwd_id=SENDER:2 type=ProgramChange value=0 label=^prgch
[773001.405] [EVENT] id=SENDER:2 hw_id=SENDER:2 bank=0 fwd_id=DISABLED:0 type=SysEx value=0 label=
[773001.405] [EVENT] id=ENC:65 hw_id=ENC:65 bank=0 fwd_id=ENC:66 type=CC value=0 label=^banksel
[773001.405] No Maps in pool

 

and "show id" confirms this as well:

[773110.617] show id ENC:66
[773110.620] id=ENC:66 (hw_id=ENC:66)
[773110.620]   - bank=0
[773110.620]   - condition: none
[773110.620]   - fwd_id=SENDER:2
[773110.620]   - fwd_to_lcd=1
[773110.620]   - type=ProgramChange
[773110.620]   - chn=1
[773110.620]   - ports=1000100000001000
[773110.620]   - value=0
[773110.620]   - secondary_value=0
[773110.621]   - map=0
[773110.621]   - min=0
[773110.621]   - max=127
[773110.621]   - offset=0
[773110.621]   - dimmed=0
[773110.621]   - rgb=0:0:0
[773110.621]   - syxdump_pos=0:0
[773110.621]   - radio_group=0
[773110.621]   - enc_mode=Absolute
[773110.621]   - enc_speed_mode=Auto:0
[773110.621]   - led_matrix_pattern=1
[773110.622]   - colour=0
[773110.622]   - lcd_pos=1:1:1
[773110.622]   - label="^prgch"

 

I need more input.

 

Best Regards, Thorsten.

[Duggle]

I've just tried it again (with EVENT_SENDER after EVENT_ENC) and it seems to be producing the correct result.

Put it down to some kind of "user error".

Anyhow, thanks for clarifying.