Schizophrenic Controller???

[wooly]

Simple really - I need a floor based controller that will;

Aim 1. Control patch changes of effects / synths etc

Aim 2. Allow me to execute all sorts of other messages/control of MIDI devices - with around 14 buttons (already got them mounted in a case and they are stomp style switches) and pedals (like MIDI expression pedals - these will be normal volume pedals that will get hacked to have pots that work with MIDIbox - needs to be interfaced into the foot controller housing and electronics)

???

You guessed it - I'm a guitarist  ;D and I've only got my feet left to control the MIDIbox while performing!!!

I know the old floorboard project will provide Aim 1 but here's what I don't know (being new and not a super electronics guy!)

A) Which MIDIBox should I build as the engine to accomplish Aim 2?  ???

B) How do I get both these separate electronic projects (different electronics etc) to share the same switches? I have thought maybe I could have a button that switches 'personality' without switching either unit on and off ... advice? Has this been solved already by someone?  ???

C) Or is there a way to do all of this in a single existing project WITHOUT trying to combine 2!

Appreciate the help!  :D

Pete

New Zealand

[wooly]

Simple really - I need a floor based controller that will;

Aim 1. Control patch changes of effects / synths etc

Aim 2. Allow me to execute all sorts of other messages/control of MIDI devices - with around 14 buttons (already got them mounted in a case and they are stomp style switches) and pedals (like MIDI expression pedals - these will be normal volume pedals that will get hacked to have pots that work with MIDIbox - needs to be interfaced into the foot controller housing and electronics)

???

You guessed it - I'm a guitarist  ;D and I've only got my feet left to control the MIDIbox while performing!!!

I know the old floorboard project will provide Aim 1 but here's what I don't know (being new and not a super electronics guy!)

A) Which MIDIBox should I build as the engine to accomplish Aim 2?  ???

B) How do I get both these separate electronic projects (different electronics etc) to share the same switches? I have thought maybe I could have a button that switches 'personality' without switching either unit on and off ... advice? Has this been solved already by someone?  ???

C) Or is there a way to do all of this in a single existing project WITHOUT trying to combine 2!

Appreciate the help!  :D

Pete

New Zealand

[Steven_C]

I think that patch change commands are probably able to be 'learned' by buttons/keys on a midibox. (someone to confirm this :-/)

I'm not familiar with the midi floorboard controllers that people have made around here, as I'm not a guitarist... (haven't taken much notice so far) so someone else may be able to answer better.

I don't know why you want two units when one could do the job of both. I know that older midibox projects could switch 'banks' but I'm not sure if that was only for the pots (continous controller messages) or for the buttons as well. The only midibox that I have used for the last 2 years has been a MBLC which behaves totally differently (forgotten how to use the others! They have both been waiting for repairs for over 2 years now! but one of them will get some work this weekend!)

good luck, from Steve

P.S. If someone can answer these questions better, then please do so!  ;)

[Steven_C]

I think that patch change commands are probably able to be 'learned' by buttons/keys on a midibox. (someone to confirm this :-/)

I'm not familiar with the midi floorboard controllers that people have made around here, as I'm not a guitarist... (haven't taken much notice so far) so someone else may be able to answer better.

I don't know why you want two units when one could do the job of both. I know that older midibox projects could switch 'banks' but I'm not sure if that was only for the pots (continous controller messages) or for the buttons as well. The only midibox that I have used for the last 2 years has been a MBLC which behaves totally differently (forgotten how to use the others! They have both been waiting for repairs for over 2 years now! but one of them will get some work this weekend!)

good luck, from Steve

P.S. If someone can answer these questions better, then please do so!  ;)

[Guest Tom_Sawyer]

I'm guitarist too, but i'm working with Midio128 for another aplication. Control Relays loops, and i prefer to use a cheap Floorboard like FCB1010.

I don't know if the Midio64 can to "learn" and to assign buttons to the program changes. I don't know either if it can to save the pacht buttons in Banks. But i would like to know that.

[Guest Tom_Sawyer]

I'm guitarist too, but i'm working with Midio128 for another aplication. Control Relays loops, and i prefer to use a cheap Floorboard like FCB1010.

I don't know if the Midio64 can to "learn" and to assign buttons to the program changes. I don't know either if it can to save the pacht buttons in Banks. But i would like to know that.

[wooly]

I have used a MIDIBox before to change patches as well as control effects etc - it can store patch commands too BUT the issue is that it is very inefficient at changing patches! This is because if you are in patch 2 and need to jump to patch 63 and have a footswitch panel with 12 switches you would have to go through a whole lot of menus and bankstick memories to get to a command that would allow you to select 63 - not good when you're on your feet playing guitar!

What I could do is use the Floorboard project that Throsten designed ages ago as it has a bank up and down with all the numbers - to get there you would punch  UP to the 60's and then hit 3 - simple!

So my issue is;

1. Has Thorsten designed bank up and down control with patch selection into one of these later MIDIBox projects (like in the floorboard project)

OR

2. How can I have BOTH projects in the chassis and use a single footswitch to move the collection of controls between the 2 sets of circuitry ....

I need a way to have a functioning MIDIBox (for all the cool control stuff of outboard gear etc) AND patch selection with bank up and down commands that can wait until you select the bank and number before sending (like in the floorboard project)!!

Pete

[wooly]

I have used a MIDIBox before to change patches as well as control effects etc - it can store patch commands too BUT the issue is that it is very inefficient at changing patches! This is because if you are in patch 2 and need to jump to patch 63 and have a footswitch panel with 12 switches you would have to go through a whole lot of menus and bankstick memories to get to a command that would allow you to select 63 - not good when you're on your feet playing guitar!

What I could do is use the Floorboard project that Throsten designed ages ago as it has a bank up and down with all the numbers - to get there you would punch  UP to the 60's and then hit 3 - simple!

So my issue is;

1. Has Thorsten designed bank up and down control with patch selection into one of these later MIDIBox projects (like in the floorboard project)

OR

2. How can I have BOTH projects in the chassis and use a single footswitch to move the collection of controls between the 2 sets of circuitry ....

I need a way to have a functioning MIDIBox (for all the cool control stuff of outboard gear etc) AND patch selection with bank up and down commands that can wait until you select the bank and number before sending (like in the floorboard project)!!

Pete