Cool anyway thanks for you help doc, i recon im about ready to get the bits i need to put this together. So il just go thrugh what i recon im going to put together and if anyone can see any problems with what i want to do a shout would be cool. So i need a core, and a DIN and DOUT module, and probibly a lcd for convinince. Then i conect up the matrix off the keypad to the dout and din module. and then join everything up to the core? On the concetion diagram off the mios downloads page, there is a diode after each switch on every colloumn, is it possible to have just one diode on the end of each row thus insted of like this cos if not im going to have to hack the pad apart witch will be horrible. And witch way round is best to conect it? 8 Columns and 5 Rows or 5 Columns and 8 Rows. Well thanks if anyone has anything to say on this -ed