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marcel. thanks for the reply. 2 questions: 1. i guess i could use 2 lcds per core. so 12 core cards in the box. would that induce lag or delay passing thru so many modules or is it still ok. 2. using 12 cores. will i be able to use 24 graphic LCD's? the code is written to the PIC of the core right? what problems would arise from any of this. thanks again. taylor

hey all. im trying to achieve using mutiple LCDs on my 3xMBLC. I want it to be like the Digidesign Pro control (or most other multi channel consoles): http://www.awave.com.au/images/ppc_big.jpg and have a small 8character LCD over each channel rather than 2 or 3 2x40 LCDs with no dividers and stuck with a width between channels dependant on the LCD. next question is the use of Graphic LCD's. can i use mutiple of those? i was thinking about using 24 small graphic lcds (1 per channel) and maybe later writing some software (not using MIOS to interface to it) to communicate between Logic7 on OsX and the graphic lcds. i heard about the Midibox Link, but is it even possible to have 24 graphic or char LCD's? by using 24 chained core modules? thanks for any help! taylor

i thought MIOS was based off Assembly?

i agree, it is very flexible. but it also has some workable properties. since its so light and inexpensive compared to steel, stainless, ect. you can go with a much thicker piece that wont be so flexible. yet still maintain the ability to drill it and not be to heavy. how big were you thinking your midibox was going to be? you could always go with a thinner piece and then put support post or cross beams to help brace it overall.

hey all. i'm trying to read up on assembly so my coding LC project this summer wont be so difficult. ive got a bit of programming knowledge, but on a low level languages. javascript, actionscript, ect. anyone know of an easy read that can help me out any? thanks. taylor

your going to have problems trying to find/get a piece of aluminum that large anodized. what size are you looking at the piece being? you can get alumium plate pretty cheap if you buy it scrap, around here in the US its $1 a pound. and a pound of alum plate is a pretty good size. about the holes. my LC im making is going to have alot of square, fader slots, ect (nightmare to do by hand) so im getting a local Waterjet shop to cut mine. waterjet is very inexpensive as far as i know, very fast, tight tolerences and can do 1/2" alum plate no problem. for those holes getting cut around here in say 1/8" plate i would suspect it to be around 50$, just depends on how much you think your personal time is worth. goodluck. taylor

so like a 'scroll thru' button, that loops a value instead of just one static one? awesome idea. this might be resolved quicker in the MIOS programming forum, but i'm also eager to know the answer. *bump*

http://www.metku.net/index.html?sect=view&n=1&path=mods/colorfade/index_eng ;D

im a bit confused about that touch sensetive pdf. care to explain how its different? i was wanting to go that kind of touch sensetive button, cause its not a 'click' tactile interface and i can put an led for a lighting effect on the same board. dunno.

sweet! even better, i thought they all had to be chained together. i remember axel had that midisport in there, totally forgot about that. and yes, i'll be using Logic7 pro. do you have any idea if the touch sensetive buttons shown above will work though? also, to be looking at something to mess around with later. what are size constraints for the LCD? i heard that using a graphical LCD sucked alot of resources from the PIC, to an extent that it might be able to support a number of colors/size. can i have a whole Core dedicated to driving the LCD? what are size limitations to the LCD, and how do i find out about graphical icons/programming/ect for it? got any links off the top of your head? thanks! taylor

thanks for the continued support (man do i need it! ;D ) ok, from the looks of it, i can run up to 4 dinX4's off of one core, and as Roger said, he thought 128 digital in's and 128 digital outs for my pots and LED's. big question here is if i use mutiple Core's like how Axel used LCx3, is the max number of in's and out scaleable or is it all dependant on the last PIC before being sent out thru midi? in other words, does a LCx3 setup capable of using 384 (128*3) pots and LED's or is it all limited to the "main" Core's limitations? i just need to know the limitations of MIOS right now, so i can plan my board around it. dont need any suprises thats going to cut my idea of using a number of buttons in third ya know :-\ hey, thanks for that link, never heard of that guy till now. vaguely remember that board but i'm bookmarking the page right now. pretty nice design. check out this pic, pretty beautiful, jog wheel probably CNC'd out of a nice sized block of aluminum:

Roger, 2. I'm going to be controlling Logic Pro 7 though. i know with Pro Tools you can only emulate a few brands out there, and it wont let you assign new paramters of that particular board that whats 'allready there' that your emulating. But with Logic i'm pretty sure you can use the "Learn" function and assign buttons to do functions. I never heard there was a limit on how much you can assign, maybe you can assign every changeable function? 4. This is going to be my Senior Thesis project for my Sound Design degree. trying to come up with new ideas. so bear with me here on traditional layout ;) 5. Checking that out right now. Thanks. i'll be looking up the max inputs on logic 7's assignable parameters, if anyone knows, please chime in. Thanks again Roger. Taylor

Roger, thanks for the help! to calify myself a bit more: 2. I know i have to specify the function via mios and my host program, i was just wondering what the max number of buttons, led's, ect is for each LC Core module. ex- can i have 200 buttons? will i have to spread them out over 3 x LC modules or can i not have anymore than 30 (ex.) no matter how i spread them out? 4. This is a mixing board, so you bring up a good point, however. these would only trigger my hotkeys for everyday uses. example- opening preference windows, popping up filename paramaters per track, assinging plugins to a track, ect. dig? :) do you think i can use that chipset though? will the out be the same as a normal button? 5. i gotcha now! thanks! is there anything i can do to spit the midi messages of level to an analogue out/vu meter instead of led's though? thanks again! taylor

i've got a few questions about the LC that i never could find in the forums or ucapps while digging around. sorry if they have been answered before!.... 1. how many core/LC module setups can i run in a row? i see that axel did a 3x LC, so im curious to what the max is. 2. what is the maximum number of buttons, switches, faders, ect allowed for the LC. and can i bypass the limitations by adding another core then having the max x2, another core max x3, ect? i want 24 motorfaders, but i want more buttons per channel and hotkey buttons than axel did. thats why i'm wondering. 3. lcd issues.... are you limited by 2x40 or is that the minimum? i could have sworn i saw someone with a graphical lcd on a midibox project, or am i wrong? 4. check out this touch sensetive button: http://www.qprox.com/products/qtouch.php basic schematic schematic with programable features, jumpers, and an LED would this work to send an on/off data out just like a normal button? and since the chip could host an LED on board, i could use an LED, and not have to take up an out of my DOUT right? 5. AOUT with the LC... this is a far stretch, but what kind of problems are you looking at if trying to use an analogue meter instead of a DOUT led meter? has it been done before? this is probably a far stretch. thanks for any help! :) Taylor

well, the 95$ is for their small mockup of the product. probably 80% of the cost is packaging and materials. i think the touch fader demo unit was 95 too, but the chip was only 5$ or so.

http://www.qprox.com/products/qwheel_qt510.php :o :o :o :o SICK! who wants to be the first to beta?

ive checked alp's site. not do deep though. reason for the 180 degree is just purely for panning purposes. so slam it clockwise and its panned hard right. dig? i guess the 'standard' method is using a 360 degree. or an endless rotary pot (rotarys are endless right?) and just having it 'tap out' on the screen, but actually not have a point of resistance or stop on the acutal pot. if it would be easier i could go rotary or 360. if thats true, does anyone make a touch sensetive pot? thanks alot man! t

looking for a 180 degree, center detent, motorized touch sensetive potentiometer. not fader style. knob pot style. reason being for panning applications. so 90 left 90 right. center detented. i know this is a ton of options, but just wondering if something close to this exist. thanks for any help. t

;D thanks tim! i knew the sliders werent up to par to a huge fader, espeically now with motorized ones being used in midibox applications. but it would be pretty fun to use it in a novelty type situation. where alot of steps werent needed and it was more visually interesting than precise. but you think the touch buttons wouldnt cause a problem just by sending an on/off message? thanks! taylor

http://www.qprox.com/products/qtouch.php http://www.qprox.com/products/qslide_qt401.php been checking out those guys. any idea if you can get any midi data out of them and usable for our means? doesnt look to complex, but, im not to deep into this sort of thing. t

hey, im thinking about how i could make a samping unit using midibox hardware. would have 8 banks, one audio input, and an audio out. user could select a bank by pressing the channel button, then any audio input within the next X seconds gets written to its memory. so it would be like an sampler, where you could overdub over previously recorded material. my main input audio signal would be from a guitar. i thought about using banksticks for memory, but thought it might be way to small. what other storage device/chip could i use? i know i could do this easily just with a midi footcontroller and Max/MSP making a sampling plugin, but would like to make it a standalone device. any help GREATLY appreciated. let me know how far off i am! thanks. t

score! got 2xc64's and 1xc128 off ebay in today. all 3 have 6581's ;D im glad cause i love that sound. i would have thought the commodore 128 would have had the 8580 though, guess not? starting work soon! t

cool. ordered the boards the other day. what about lcd? what kind should i get? 20x2? do crystalFontz sell good stuff? thanks! Taylor

thank you guys VERY much. one more thing. im using mac OS X, will the java controller for the sid work right on that? ive got a pc i can use, but would like to know how hard its gonna be to test it out with a mac. also, i dont see the Bankstick pcb on smash's site. but i remember seeing the schematic on Ucapps. will i have to fabricate it myself? thanks again. Taylor

ok, need to get on building a SID for my final project in a class. only two sources for PCB boards ive seen so far are the midibox store: http://avi.dezines.com/mbhp/buy.html and one in germany i think. is this correct? im in the US, and for some reason i was thinking that the Midibox store was not in the US? or am i wrong. i wanna make it not to complex but still not overly simple, not a matrix of led's, a few adjustable parameters and a handfull of led's, barebones on the amount of other modules too. i was thinking: -SID module -CORE module -PSU module -JDM module for main items i needed. how many sid modules should i get? and for each sid do i need another core, psu, jdm, ect? kinda lost on that topic. also, where can i get the 6581 chips from? does anyone sell remade ones or do you have to salvage c64's? any help on that appreciated too. i just didnt want to order alot of stuff, and find out i missed something, and be set back another week or so. how fast is this guy at getting the stuff out? thanks for any help guys, im really looking forward to getting rolling on this! Taylor