Well that's hardly my point. Obviously someone who was going to sell this would be responsible for any issues and getting the proper licenses. I am simply pointing out a licensing scheme/kind suggestion that might work well here, since the main reason that is mentioned on this forum for not allowing people to sell is fear of buyers seeking to much support here and killing the active community. If the box has no www.uCapps.de on it or "based on the public MIDIbox project" but is simply represented as the sellers own product, or with what ever brand name the seller decides, then normal non-DIY people are hardly going to be pestering us. Well, currently Thorsten is getting no admiration for his work from Midibox buyers, because there aren't any. He is on the other hand getting lots of admiration and thanks from us on this forum. If this scheme would be realised, he would still not get any admiration for Midibox buyers, because they don't know about this, but he would still be getting our thanks, plus the added benefit that those on a low budget can fearlessly sell their old midiboxes to finance their new ones, and some people might even have an income from this. It isn't based entirely on somebody elses work. The Mios is a platform, and how you implement the actual midibox involves a whole lot of your own designing, deciding, parts choosing, cosmetics and at last hands on work. An example:  When I use the Java API (which is free to anyone) to make a program that involves all sorts of networking, IO and processing that the people at Sun have laid out the groundwork for, and even implemented at large and provided me with tutorials and examples of how to use their code libraries, I am still the name of the software that combines these particular elements, and I give it a name and sell it and nobody thinks that's weird. "I find it highly annoying" isn't a good excuse for me. Well this whole clause above doesn't make much sense to me, so fortunately I don't feel bullied by it. I do get your point on the politics though, I'll avoid saying anything that can be interpereted as politics on this forum. That being said, let's all be friends and discuss this in a friendly tone. :-* I hold no interrest here. Im just coming up with a suggestion that I think is good, and in fact much better than having a well respected license that isn't being honored (The GPL). Regards, Bjarni