Alkex

Hi, I'm using a midibox cv to midify a Moog rogue but would love to convert the synth's cv out into midi using an analog input. Right now, I am usgin port J5 as Dout for trigger but only need the first 2 pins as outputs. Is it easy to redefine say pins 3 to 8 of J5 as analog inputs? Thanks in advance for your insight Best regards Alex

Thanks stryd_one ! Wow Mios just gets better and better! Big ups to all

Hello all, I have an aout_ng module I wish to use to midify a moog rogue, but can't recompile the setup_default.asm with the right interface_Type flag. I get this: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Debug build of project `C:\midibox_cv_v1_2b\setup_default.disposable_mcp' started. Preprocessor symbol `__DEBUG' is defined. Thu Aug 28 21:35:37 2008 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Clean: Deleting intermediary and output files. Clean: Deleted file "C:\midibox_cv_v1_2b\setup_default.mcs". Clean: Done. Executing: "C:\Program Files\Microchip\MPASM Suite\MPASMWIN.exe" /q /p18F452 "setup_default.asm" /l"setup_default.lst" /e"setup_default.err" /d__DEBUG=1 Error[105] C:\MIDIBOX_CV_V1_2B\SRC/MAIN.INC 21 : Cannot open file (Include File "mios.h" not found) Error[105] C:\MIDIBOX_CV_V1_2B\SRC/MAIN.INC 24 : Cannot open file (Include File "macros.h" not found) Error[105] C:\MIDIBOX_CV_V1_2B\SRC/MAIN.INC 27 : Cannot open file (Include File "mios_vectors.inc" not found) Error[105] C:\MIDIBOX_CV_V1_2B\SRC/MAIN.INC 30 : Cannot open file (Include File "user_vectors.inc" not found) Error[105] C:\MIDIBOX_CV_V1_2B\SRC/MAIN.INC 41 : Cannot open file (Include File "app_defines.h" not found) Error[105] C:\MIDIBOX_CV_V1_2B\SRC/MAIN.INC 46 : Cannot open file (Include File "mios_tables.inc" not found) Error[105] C:\MIDIBOX_CV_V1_2B\SRC/MAIN.INC 49 : Cannot open file (Include File "app_lcd.inc" not found) Error[113] C:\MIDIBOX_CV_V1_2B\SRC/MAIN.INC 61 : Symbol not previously defined (MB_STAT) Error[113] C:\MIDIBOX_CV_V1_2B\SRC/MAIN.INC 64 : Symbol not previously defined (CV_DUMP_RestoreAll) Error[113] C:\MIDIBOX_CV_V1_2B\SRC/MAIN.INC 67 : Symbol not previously defined (CS_MENU_Init) Error[113] C:\MIDIBOX_CV_V1_2B\SRC/MAIN.INC 73 : Symbol not previously defined (MIOS_SRIO_NumberSet) Error[113] C:\MIDIBOX_CV_V1_2B\SRC/MAIN.INC 75 : Symbol not previously defined (MIOS_SRIO_UpdateFrqSet) Error[113] C:\MIDIBOX_CV_V1_2B\SRC/MAIN.INC 77 : Symbol not previously defined (MIOS_SRIO_DebounceSet) Error[113] C:\MIDIBOX_CV_V1_2B\SRC/MAIN.INC 80 : Symbol not previously defined (AOUT_Init) Error[113] C:\MIDIBOX_CV_V1_2B\SRC/MAIN.INC 88 : Symbol not previously defined (MIOS_MIDI_DeviceIDGet) Error[113] C:\MIDIBOX_CV_V1_2B\SRC/MAIN.INC 89 : Symbol not previously defined (MIDI_DEVICE_ID) Error[113] C:\MIDIBOX_CV_V1_2B\SRC/MAIN.INC 92 : Symbol not previously defined (CV_CLK_Init) Error[113] C:\MIDIBOX_CV_V1_2B\SRC/MAIN.INC 104 : Symbol not previously defined (CV_MAP_Update) Error[113] C:\MIDIBOX_CV_V1_2B\SRC/MAIN.INC 107 : Symbol not previously defined (CV_EXT_Update) Error[113] C:\MIDIBOX_CV_V1_2B\SRC/MAIN.INC 110 : Symbol not previously defined (CV_BANK_CheckStick) Error[113] C:\MIDIBOX_CV_V1_2B\SRC/MAIN.INC 123 : Symbol not previously defined (CV_CLK_Timer) Error[113] C:\MIDIBOX_CV_V1_2B\SRC/MAIN.INC 126 : Symbol not previously defined (CV_IP_Handler) Error[113] C:\MIDIBOX_CV_V1_2B\SRC/MAIN.INC 151 : Symbol not previously defined (CS_STAT_DISPLAY_INIT_REQ) Error[113] C:\MIDIBOX_CV_V1_2B\SRC/MAIN.INC 151 : Symbol not previously defined (CS_STAT) Error[113] C:\MIDIBOX_CV_V1_2B\SRC/MAIN.INC 153 : Symbol not previously defined (CS_MENU_Handler) Error[113] C:\MIDIBOX_CV_V1_2B\SRC/MAIN.INC 161 : Symbol not previously defined (CS_MENU_Handler) Error[113] C:\MIDIBOX_CV_V1_2B\SRC/MAIN.INC 173 : Symbol not previously defined (CV_MIDI_NotifyReceivedEvent) Warning[207] C:\MIDIBOX_CV_V1_2B\SRC/MAIN.INC 177 : Found label after column 1. (rgoto) Error[122] C:\MIDIBOX_CV_V1_2B\SRC/MAIN.INC 177 : Illegal opcode (USER_Tick) Error[122] C:\MIDIBOX_CV_V1_2B\SRC/MAIN.INC 198 : Illegal opcode (STRING) Error[122] C:\MIDIBOX_CV_V1_2B\SRC/MAIN.INC 199 : Illegal opcode (STRING) Warning[207] C:\MIDIBOX_CV_V1_2B\SRC/MAIN.INC 202 : Found label after column 1. (TABLE_ADDR) Error[122] C:\MIDIBOX_CV_V1_2B\SRC/MAIN.INC 202 : Illegal opcode (USER_MPROC_TO_STR_0) Error[113] C:\MIDIBOX_CV_V1_2B\SRC/MAIN.INC 203 : Symbol not previously defined (MIOS_LCD_PrintMessage) Error[113] C:\MIDIBOX_CV_V1_2B\SRC/MAIN.INC 204 : Symbol not previously defined (MIOS_LCD_PrintMessage) Error[113] C:\MIDIBOX_CV_V1_2B\SRC/MAIN.INC 207 : Symbol not previously defined (CS_STAT_DISPLAY_UPDATE_REQ) Error[113] C:\MIDIBOX_CV_V1_2B\SRC/MAIN.INC 207 : Symbol not previously defined (CS_STAT) Error[113] C:\MIDIBOX_CV_V1_2B\SRC/MAIN.INC 210 : Symbol not previously defined (CV_SYSEX_ActionInvalid) Error[113] C:\MIDIBOX_CV_V1_2B\SRC/MAIN.INC 219 : Symbol not previously defined (CV_SYSEX_Parser) Error[113] C:\MIDIBOX_CV_V1_2B\SRC/MAIN.INC 245 : Symbol not previously defined (CV_CLK_NotifyRx) Error[113] C:\MIDIBOX_CV_V1_2B\SRC/MAIN.INC 259 : Symbol not previously defined (CS_MENU_BUTTON_Handler) Error[113] C:\MIDIBOX_CV_V1_2B\SRC/MAIN.INC 303 : Symbol not previously defined (CS_MENU_TIMER) Error[105] C:\MIDIBOX_CV_V1_2B\SRC/MAIN.INC 322 : Cannot open file (Include File "aout.inc" not found) Error[105] C:\MIDIBOX_CV_V1_2B\SRC/MAIN.INC 325 : Cannot open file (Include File "midi_evnt.inc" not found) Error[105] C:\MIDIBOX_CV_V1_2B\SRC/MAIN.INC 326 : Cannot open file (Include File "math_mul16_16.inc" not found) Error[105] C:\MIDIBOX_CV_V1_2B\SRC/MAIN.INC 327 : Cannot open file (Include File "j5_dout.inc" not found) Error[105] C:\MIDIBOX_CV_V1_2B\SRC/MAIN.INC 331 : Cannot open file (Include File "cs_menu_buttons.inc" not found) Error[105] C:\MIDIBOX_CV_V1_2B\SRC/MAIN.INC 332 : Cannot open file (Include File "cs_menu_enc.inc" not found) Error[105] C:\MIDIBOX_CV_V1_2B\SRC/MAIN.INC 333 : Cannot open file (Include File "cs_menu_timer.inc" not found) Error[105] C:\MIDIBOX_CV_V1_2B\SRC/MAIN.INC 334 : Cannot open file (Include File "cs_menu.inc" not found) Error[105] C:\MIDIBOX_CV_V1_2B\SRC/MAIN.INC 335 : Cannot open file (Include File "cs_menu_tables.inc" not found) Error[105] C:\MIDIBOX_CV_V1_2B\SRC/MAIN.INC 336 : Cannot open file (Include File "cs_special_chars.inc" not found) Error[105] C:\MIDIBOX_CV_V1_2B\SRC/MAIN.INC 339 : Cannot open file (Include File "cs_m_hlp.inc" not found) Error[105] C:\MIDIBOX_CV_V1_2B\SRC/MAIN.INC 340 : Cannot open file (Include File "cs_m_display.inc" not found) Error[105] C:\MIDIBOX_CV_V1_2B\SRC/MAIN.INC 341 : Cannot open file (Include File "cs_m_event.inc" not found) Error[105] C:\MIDIBOX_CV_V1_2B\SRC/MAIN.INC 342 : Cannot open file (Include File "cs_m_transp.inc" not found) Error[105] C:\MIDIBOX_CV_V1_2B\SRC/MAIN.INC 343 : Cannot open file (Include File "cs_m_split.inc" not found) Error[105] C:\MIDIBOX_CV_V1_2B\SRC/MAIN.INC 344 : Cannot open file (Include File "cs_m_pitchr.inc" not found) Error[105] C:\MIDIBOX_CV_V1_2B\SRC/MAIN.INC 345 : Cannot open file (Include File "cs_m_noteh.inc" not found) Error[105] C:\MIDIBOX_CV_V1_2B\SRC/MAIN.INC 346 : Cannot open file (Include File "cs_m_gatep.inc" not found) Error[105] C:\MIDIBOX_CV_V1_2B\SRC/MAIN.INC 347 : Cannot open file (Include File "cs_m_ccnum.inc" not found) Error[105] C:\MIDIBOX_CV_V1_2B\SRC/MAIN.INC 348 : Cannot open file (Include File "cs_m_curve.inc" not found) Error[105] C:\MIDIBOX_CV_V1_2B\SRC/MAIN.INC 349 : Cannot open file (Include File "cs_m_ip.inc" not found) Error[105] C:\MIDIBOX_CV_V1_2B\SRC/MAIN.INC 350 : Cannot open file (Include File "cs_m_clk.inc" not found) Error[105] C:\MIDIBOX_CV_V1_2B\SRC/MAIN.INC 351 : Cannot open file (Include File "cs_m_midicfg.inc" not found) Error[105] C:\MIDIBOX_CV_V1_2B\SRC/MAIN.INC 352 : Cannot open file (Include File "cs_m_sysex.inc" not found) Error[105] C:\MIDIBOX_CV_V1_2B\SRC/MAIN.INC 353 : Cannot open file (Include File "cs_m_calib.inc" not found) Error[105] C:\MIDIBOX_CV_V1_2B\SRC/MAIN.INC 356 : Cannot open file (Include File "cv_bank.inc" not found) Error[105] C:\MIDIBOX_CV_V1_2B\SRC/MAIN.INC 357 : Cannot open file (Include File "cv_lcd.inc" not found) Error[105] C:\MIDIBOX_CV_V1_2B\SRC/MAIN.INC 358 : Cannot open file (Include File "cv_msg.inc" not found) Error[105] C:\MIDIBOX_CV_V1_2B\SRC/MAIN.INC 359 : Cannot open file (Include File "cv_dump.inc" not found) Error[105] C:\MIDIBOX_CV_V1_2B\SRC/MAIN.INC 360 : Cannot open file (Include File "cv_midi.inc" not found) Error[105] C:\MIDIBOX_CV_V1_2B\SRC/MAIN.INC 361 : Cannot open file (Include File "cv_sysex.inc" not found) Error[105] C:\MIDIBOX_CV_V1_2B\SRC/MAIN.INC 362 : Cannot open file (Include File "cv_map.inc" not found) Error[105] C:\MIDIBOX_CV_V1_2B\SRC/MAIN.INC 363 : Cannot open file (Include File "cv_ext.inc" not found) Error[105] C:\MIDIBOX_CV_V1_2B\SRC/MAIN.INC 364 : Cannot open file (Include File "cv_ip.inc" not found) Error[105] C:\MIDIBOX_CV_V1_2B\SRC/MAIN.INC 365 : Cannot open file (Include File "cv_clk.inc" not found) Error[105] C:\MIDIBOX_CV_V1_2B\SRC/MAIN.INC 368 : Cannot open file (Include File "cv_curve1_table.inc" not found) Error[105] C:\MIDIBOX_CV_V1_2B\SRC/MAIN.INC 369 : Cannot open file (Include File "cv_curve2_table.inc" not found) Error[105] C:\MIDIBOX_CV_V1_2B\SRC/MAIN.INC 370 : Cannot open file (Include File "cv_curve3_table.inc" not found) Error[105] C:\MIDIBOX_CV_V1_2B\SRC/MAIN.INC 373 : Cannot open file (Include File "cv_presets.inc" not found) Halting build on first failure as requested. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Debug build of project `C:\midibox_cv_v1_2b\setup_default.disposable_mcp' failed. Preprocessor symbol `__DEBUG' is defined. Thu Aug 28 21:35:38 2008 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- BUILD FAILED I've been very busy with my new job and have unfortunately been away from midiboxing for a while so I might be forgetting something stupid. Thanks for any advice Best regards Alex Ps: be on the lookout for my latest all in one Sid keyboard I'm building to replace the one Fedex broke, it's gonna be a killer ;)

Hi! I'm modeling a 3d case for my midibox sid restoration project, could anyone recommend a good company for machining the wood from my 3d files? Thanks in advance Alex

thanks for all your feedback, fedex managed to completely bend the front plate, and the mastic/bondo chassis has shattered. I will try to get quotes for all new kits and for the front panel. I would like to make a wooden chasis in CAD this time, would you recommend a good company for making the objects? It will be my first time, but I have allready done a little 3d so this will be fun. From every death comes a rebirth! ;)

Hi, I have moved from France to Los Angeles and Fedex have destroyed my midibox Sid, along with other beloved gear. the commercial stuff can be replaced easily, but I am really pissed off about all the hours of work gone into the midibox gone to waste. I would like to make claim on it but have no idea how to value it, being home made. What would you do? Any suggestions would really help Thanks in advance Alkex

Hi TD, Glad you like my Speak n Spell, I got the push buttons off ebay Item number: 300209169798 they are actually very standard buttons only with their "heads" pointing out of the panel rather then the whole body, if you get what Im saying... ;)

I Like ambition! Correct me if I'm wrong but I do beleive that you can run as many lcds as you wish, only limit being your extra douts for the E (Enable) pin of each extra lcd? Anything is possible if you have the guts, time and/or a very very patient girlfriend ;D I just finished making 32 8 segment led rings by hand (I wouldn't recommend this as a day job) These would give you good visual feedback for your project, and they look cool around encoders! Get 200 led-rings spinning and your fans will prefer your midibox to the gig's light show :D Best Alex

Hi, Thanks for your answers, the lcds I bought from Voti require 420ma, so I guess I'll use radiators... ... or watercooling ;D Cheers Alex

Hi All, I plan to builld a nice controller with 4 2x40 backlit lcds, eache with 8 encoders/ledrings below (like the mackie c4) I know that 7805 regulators can get very hot with backlit lcds, should I plan a special supply for this project? I'm no expert in electricity so any advice would be well apreciated! thanks Alex

Hey! Great machine you have there! I like the two knobs you have for length and quant, where did you get them? cheers

Hi There, Thanks for your feedback, Here is a little photo series of the making... ::::::::::::::::::::INSIDE::::::::::::::::::::: The boards etc where all made from breadboards, very ugly and spaghetti like, but the leds and buttons line up well and feel surprisingly robust. Lots of hot glue involved, again ;) ::::::::::::::::::: Outside, Bodywork ::::::::::::::::::::: Here is an Oxygene8 happily sitting there, not expecting to be mistreated in any way... Same keyboard after a brutality session! I used cardboard of make a basic "idea" frame, to the size of th panel. Glued with hot glue . Now came the hard part, I had to smear the cardboard with car bodyu filler (called mastic here in france) , and sand the hell out of it (I spent about 3 hours untill my hands nearly dropped off). i could have achieved a much nicer finish with a few extra hours sanding/filling/sanding/filling/sanding again But hey, this is diy, and I kinda like the organic feel of it's imperfections (thats my excuse for being lazy)::) So here it is, on a glorious almost spring-like day: The font panel was made 100% in schaeffer front panel designer Based on Wilba's design (Massive respect to Wilba by the way!),I had to vectorize the waveform icons so here they are if anybody wants them: http://www.gtaband.la/alkex/sid/waveforms.zip just extract and import as hpgl into frontpanel designer. Noticed a second oxygen8 in the background?... ... A perfect contender for a midibox FM of coarse! Thanks for looking, Best regards to all fellow midiboxers! Alkex

Thanks Bugfight! Tell me about it, I ll post pics of it when I m finished, allthough pics of my face will probably be funny by time i've finished all that soldering ;D

Hi all! I would like to run a nice big 16x12 led matrix to get visual feedback of envellopes, patterns etc can mios handle 16x12 ok or should I break into several matrices running on 2 cores? Thanks in advance Best regards Alkex

Thanks Cimo, But wanted to save the space of an extra core, anyway PROBLEM SOLVED!!! Dead optocoupler... I forgot to unplug the core whilst soldering to midi in pins GRRRR Thanks, Photos on their way!!!! Alkex

hi folks! Best wishes to you all, I wish to add further fonctionality to my m-audio oxygen8 by sticking a midibox on it's output. I have wired the core to the oxygen's 7805 and both midi outputs (core and oxygen) work fine. Now I want to wire the midi out of the oxygen to the midi IN of the core and have the core process the keyboard's data (transpose, arp etc) but the core crashes and reboots when I plug one into the other. I guess there is some problem related to power or signals? Must I be using or removing a resistor? I m not that good at electronics, thanks for any help on the subject!!

Hi Wilba, Mte The 3d cube does look great, probably to be next on the project list, would look great hanging from the ceiling! Thanks for youre advice, 108 douts will be the way to go then, must admit I was leaning in that direction the extra control over the shades is well worth the extra soldering, I'll have a dedicated board etched anyway. Thanks again, I'll get cracking and post the results! Alex

Hi there, I have bought some nice RGB leds on ebay to play with. http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/50-PC-5mm-8Kmcd-Manual-Control-Super-Flux-RGB-LED-F-R_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQcategoryZ33713QQihZ011QQitemZ320063476198QQrdZ1QQsspagenameZWDVW I made a simple little MIOS "moodybox" mood lamp using pulse width modulation on 3 pins of J5 which works fine. Now I'm ready to move on to the initial purpose of the RGB led purchase: my 36 cell rainbow coffee table. It's inspired by the daft punk coffee table I saw in my local habitat store.This thing costs 1k euros and only has 25 boring red squares. I'm going for 36 rgb squares (6x6 under a 1m2 glass panel) which should be a little more exciting to look at and most of all, will cost me under 100euros (tinted glass panel included). I plan to wire two little hi and low filtered mics through analog ins to have ambient music influence on the colours, but thats another issue. My main concern so far is how to wire the 108 leds (36x red, green and blue) to the core with maximum performance and speed considering I want each led to be individualy pulse width modulated. Will the core handle a matrix? This would obviously complicate the coding, but I would rather take the software challenge than wire up 108 74hc595 pins :P I'm far from being an electricity pro so was hoping someone with a bigger brain out there could point me in the best direction for this project... Thanks in advance and Best wishes to All! Alex

Hi, I have a few small gigs lined up in the future and would like to add some colour to our performance by sequencing rgb light fades to the tracks (differant colours to diff moods etc). I have allready used a binary system using high powered relays attached to douts that is a good start for flashing bright lights etc, but I would like to go one step further and "animate" colour changes be applying variable voltages to three 12v ultra bright led clusters(RGB) I thought the aout_lc module would be a good basis for the project, but I dont need negative volts, so can I bypass the -12v supply? I would rather avoid having to build two modules just for one extra output, would it be possible say to reduce the resolutions and use a quad amp, and if so which amp would you recommend? oh and a stupid question: would even be possible to multiplex the channels to differant leds, maybe the eye would be to slow to notice the flicker... If you guys can pinpoint me on the hardware side of getting three 0v to 12v channels out of the box, I can then write a little program with coulour change scenarios to choose from when not receiving midi thus making it a nice decoration to have in the house when not on stage :) Thanks in advance for any ideas towards this project best regards Alex

Great stuff, thanks for your comments, I'll be out looking for a hex pickup, and see what I can pick up... :o

Hi Andrew, Thanks for your comments, but i think there is still hope :D Check this out: http://tomscarff.tripod.com/pitch_midi/pitch_to_midi.htm Tom seems to have succeded, using a pic16f877, so surely our 18f series can do it... I will build one of his pitch to midi devices (source code and pcb free for download) and will see how I can come to make this a midibox compatible module, because allthough a standalone device would be cool, the real fun come in when it speaks in "MIOS" ;D I'll keep you posted... Best Alex

Hi, I was wondering if the pic is powerfull enough to analyse the pitch of an audio input by measuring it's frequency thru ain pins. Ultimately, I would like to analyse 6 channels at once (one for each guitar string) and convert them to midi. I think I could get my head around the programming side of it, but need to know if this is a realistic or too ambiscious project. midi guitar anybody? ;D

hi thorsten, I m very embarrassed :-[ the synth turned out to be an exponential curve, although the documentation that came with it says linear. anyway, all is well that ends well, sorry to have had you test your hardware especially, I did strongly doubt it was a mistake from your behalf, Now all works fine and I must admit your cv software is excellent, especially the way it handles note stacks! thanks again for your time and keep it up!

Hi Thorsten, Thanks for your support, I have tried cc mode, but cant get any cv from either channels (tried mod wheel and many other cc messages) . Pitch mode is perfectly consistent to Dr Moog's v/octave law but only for values 64 and above (scales become random below 64). Velocity mode on the other hand works perfectly normaly: 127 is a perfect octave above 64 that is a perfect octave above 32, etc I guess I could just use the velocity mode and write a buffer handler that would change incomming midi notes into velocty values before treating them, but it seems strange that nobody else has encountered my problem... wouldnt be suprised if I got something wrong on the hardware side, but this is the second aout_lc i built and exact problem repeats itself, would be a strange coincidence thanks again for your help, cant wait to start analoging ;) Best regards Alex

Hi, I am playing with my first aout_lc but am having trouble getting the cv's to sound right: In calibration mode, all is fine. I got the min and max voltages perfect on calibration and 1v, 2v, 4v, and 8v sound like perfect octaves thru the oscillator, but as soon as I exit the calibration mode and start sending the midibox cv midi notes, the intervals are completely out of tune(4th become a semi, octave, a 3rd etc). I checked that the curve is V/oct and that I have my hardware set up correctly (I switched to resolution mode A) Any ideas? oh, and I replaced the trim pots with multiturn for more precision, was this a mistake? THanks for your help best regards Alex