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  1. Sweet Box, was there ever a black C64 ? I don´t think so. Concerning the panel, whoever made it... nice work so far and so close to perfect ;). Some slight modifications in the setup and in the machining-plan and it´s excellent next time. What did it cost ? The material looks like the brushed black eloxated aluminium, I use, too. Very, very, very difficult to work with and the pure hell to fill with color ;). Good, you didn´t try, lol. Cheers, Michael
  2. Hi, hm...das kommt schwer aufs Material an ;) In 5mm Acryl wird zum Beispiel die LED Matrix in der SID Platte noch ausreichend stabil. In 2mm Alu auch. Je mehr schweizer Käse man aus den Platten macht, umso instabiler werden sie logischerweise auch. Unter 2.5mm Acryl würde ich mit dem SID Layout nicht gehen, da es sich dann mit sicherheit nicht mehr selbst trägt. Es hängt deshalb von der zu erwarteten Belastung ab. Wenn die Platte anderweitig unterbaut wird dann kann man etwas enger werden. Wenn es keine Stützpunkte gibt, dann würde ich darauf Rücksicht nehmen und die Abstände grösser halten. Grundsätzlich würde ich zu einer maximalen Streuung der Bohrungen raten, aber das geht leider Design und Platinentechnisch meisst nicht ;). Der Abstand vom Rand der Frontplatte ist in der Regel naturgemäß etwas grösser, da sonst die einzubauenden Bauteile irgendwann am Chassi anstossen würden. Hier gilt natürlich auch, lieber etwas grosszügiger sein und die Platte verzeiht auch mal ein ordentliches Kopfnicken, wenns mal wieder länger dauert. Du siehst, ich winde mich um genaue Angaben herum ;). Die grösse der Bohrungen spielen natürlich auch noch ne Rolle, sowie die Frage, ob Printteile den druck an die Montagepunkte der Platine weiter geben, LEDs, die gar keinen Druck abbekommen usw... Falls du ein Layout hast, dann würde ich dir gerne meine zweite Meinung dazu sagen, bevor sie produziert wird. Erreichen kannst du uns hier im Forum per PN oder mail an info at aileroned.de. Grüsse, Micha
  3. Hi, Is the price only for cutting, or with fonts engraved ? As mentioned in the other threads, we do TKs layout for 110.-€ (plus shipping to UK) inluding the engravings. What overall material strength are you thinking of ? Its no problem to use a different tool for the frames around the sections, so they would become 0.5mm deeper, like you posted in your second layout. We use mostly PMMA (acrylic) or aluminium, but if you like PETG, we could give it a try. Michael
  4. Did you test the texture spray with acrylic ? I had a lot of laquer and especially texture sprays, that built all kinds of hard or latex like surfaces... but most of them could be lifted in nearly one piece from the acrylic after hardening ;D. I´ve never tried filler spray on acrylic. I think I have some around, we will see tomorrow ;). If you do the panel in pieces, then you wont need to cover toolmarks... the small parts glued on top should be clean, and the large panel would never have been touched by a tool on the surface.
  5. Hi, its possible to machine acrylic like this....but ;-)... You will see the tool marks in the lowered area. It´s very machine time intensive to make the surface look like polished or smooth and opaque. I would tend to handwork polishing in that case. Painting after machining could need a layer of filler, before painted, to avoid visibility of the toolmarks. I´ve never tested this with acrylic. Maybe it could be an idea to make the lowered, then the rised sections in parts. The rised sections could be glued or screwed to the large part. It would make life easier. Maybe, step by step, like this, - cut of the main part and the sections - sections mounted to the main part - paint - holes and engraving It would be possible to use satinated/opaque or colored acrylic for the main part and paint just for the sections, as you like ;)...but you wanted to make the whole thing look like one piece. The holes need to be covered, cause laquer tends to build a drip on edges, the hole would loose in diameter at this point. If you try to get the your part in the hole with force, then you could lift the laquer at this point. Besides... it´s very painful to get the laquer evenly in all holes. What paint...to be honest, i do not want to talk about that in this place, because there are a lots of different kinds that destroy acrylic and I do not want to be blamed using some paint that "is known to cause cracks" in acrylic ;). So I use, what I have tested and thats ok for me. If you are about to paint, give me a PN and we can find one that fits. If you are thinking about letting machine your parts, I would be happy to make a quote. Cheers, Michael
  6. Hi, you´ll have to try some sprays before spraying your panel...some eat plexi, most are simply to weak. I sprayed the panels before I machined them.... you do not need to cover 187 holes then. (It looks pretty cool when you paint the acrylic and then engrave into the (hardened) paint.) If you ask me, paint, then machine, if possible....
  7. Hi, I think Schaefer´s panels are like our panels. The engravin is about 1/10mm to 3/10mm deep. The deeper, the easier is it to fill, BUT, as the engraving tool is V-tipped, the deeper you engrave, the wider the line will get. Therefore, for an 0.3mm wide line, you have to use an 0.2 engraving tool about 1/10mm deep in the material. Filling with colour sounds easy. You will have to use the right paint, with the right solvent, with the right tools...with THE technique ;). It took a lot of time to learn, how, with what this works. For aluminium, use something based on standard paint thinner, try the "shrink-factor" of the color, that you use. Dull colors for the fonts. Do not paint the whole Plate, as you only want t fill the fonts...the more paint you do on the plate, the more you will have to remove. If you like to paint the whole plate with one color and the font with another... Use thinner laquer for the paint and something that is removable with alcohol, but not with water and oil/fat for the fonts. But I had bad experiences with laquer on large aluminium surfaces. Spray paint, i guess spray can, won´t make you happy. Eloxated aluminium or powder coated .. forget anything else. The only way this could work is to paint and then engrave... when you engrave a plate and then paint the whole thing...the engraving will be nearly gone. Why do you think about engraving and lasertran ? Cheers, Micha
  8. Its rounded 155 PLUS shipping and taxes. What makes about 190€ altogether. The 110.-€ we offer are all inclusive. Stripping the fonts to "one line fonts" reduces the price given in fpd to ca. 122.- plus shipping and taxes. Somewhere around 150.-€ would be the complete price then. I wouldnt prefer to use "one line fonts" cause they tend to have one pretty and one ugly side.... but if someone likes them, you can have them.
  9. Hi, ups...the mail is info at aileroned.de .Its public in my profile now, thanks.... That mailaccount is 100% spam free since one year now ;). Hope it stays. Micha
  10. Yes. Almost ;). Use whatever you want. I will get my data out of it. FPD in particular is no problem. I like working with Corel12, what is incomparable accurate despite all other Corel versions ;). I am still trying to get my HP updated ;).. recently I am doing some signs, that keep me busy. I will put some pictures on my HP these days, maybe there will be a better overview then. I could organize screen printing, but I do not do it for myself. It needs some more panels to be made, to get screen print done to a affordable price. See, if I do one design, I have a lot of work with it to get it machine ready. TK´s panel is ready, thats why we can make a good price for it. This is already discount. Maybe, when we talk about some more of them at one time, then there would be a possibility. This isn´t the ass of the world, but you have a nice view on it from here.
  11. What keeps you from printing the panel directly out of FPD to your sticker ? I guess you like to print in a copy shop. You could install a "print to jpg" printer driver. As far as I remember, there is a print to tiff driver shipped with ms-office. That would do the job. I don´t have a particular one in mind right now, but you should find several easily via google. A hires screenshot could be an option, too. Plexiglas is a common term for acrylic, or just "acryl". But Plexiglas is often mixed up with transparent "polystyrol", what is useless for our purpose. I hope you will get the sticker bubble free to your panel. Its not that easy ;).
  12. Hi, Preislich macht es zu Acryl kaum einen Unterschied. Wenn auch das Material teurer ist ;), muss bei Alu weniger zusatzarbeit geleistet werden, kost aber dafür mehr Fräser und Stichel. Der Preis mit 110€/Stück steht nach wie vor, auch für Alu (es sei denn jemand braucht extraexotische Materialstärken ;)). Anbei ein paar kürzlich gefertige Platten... (komme leider nicht dazu alles zu Fotografieren) SID, nach TK Vorlage 5mm Acryl, Rückseite silber(rauhglänzend), Schriften auf der Vorderseite graviert und farbig eingelassen, Bohrungen für Schrauben gesenkt. 4Pole VCF12a 3,5mm Alu, beidseitig schwarz eloxiert matt gebürstet, Schriften und Skalen graviert und farbig eingelassen Soundlab, nach Vorlage 3.5mm Alu, beidseitig schwarz eloxiert matt gebürstet, Schriften und Skalen graviert und farbig eingelassen, Bohrungen für 6mm Zylinderköpfe um 2.5mm vertieft Edit: Noch ein closeup auf die Senkung der SID-Platte angehängt ;).
  13. Genormt, im Sinne des Wortes, ist da gar nichts, soweit ich weiss. Die Bohrungen am Rand, zur verschraubung des Gerätes im 19" Schrank sind Standard, soweit ich weiss. Die Verbindung Front->Chassi ist bestimmt bei jeder Firma anders. Hat noch keiner ein FPD File mit dem TK Layout gemacht ? Das TK Layout hat Aussenmaß in der Höhe 127mm, 397,5mm breit. Sollte also auf eine 3HE Platte gut passen. Mir würde es reichen, wenn du die 3HE Platte im Frontplattendesigner anlegst und für das TK Layout einfach einen Rahmen ziehst um es zu platzieren, falls du am Layout nichts ändern willst. Ich kann dir auch ein PLT file schicken, das lässt sich als komplettes Teil in FPD importieren...allerdings nicht neu arrangieren. Grüsse, Micha
  14. Keine Sorge, bin eh dauernd am Probieren ;).
  15. Ja, natürlich ;). ....ich brauche eindeutig mehr Zeit....und UV Farben ;). Ganz ehrlich, ich habe es noch nicht probiert. Mir fällt aber kein Grund ein, warum das nicht funktionieren soll. Ausser, dass jeder Fussel und Mikrokratzer auf der Acrylplatte leuchten könnte. Ich muss mir morgen erst mal wieder eine UV Lampe besorgen, dann Teste ich mal ein bisschen rum. Das einzige Problem, das ich im Moment sehe, ist, wie man das UV-Licht um die Platinen rumschifft, damit auch alles getroffen wird.... Morgen ist eh shopping Tag. Ich werde mal ein bisschen Material besorgen und Testen. Grüsse, Micha
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