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22 hours ago, ssp said:
really thanks for the link !!!!
a very well done commands encoding !!!
just a question about when a plug in is open the parameters are automatically assigned ?
(from the first to the last also with "bank layers" if the plug in have more than 8 parameter ?
as the rotary encoders on the mackie hui are 8 and the display can show 8 parameters at a time ,
unless the custom midibox ng/hui is not equipped with more than 1 display like 2 or 3 or 4 as for the Mackie C4 model
that have 4 display each with 8 encoders (total 32 encoders good for virtual synths..)
but unfortunately it do not work with pro tools … , because Avid "marketing" policy .. )
more thanks
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On 13 settembre 2011 at 5:41 AM, julienvoirin said:
if you are sure of that it is rather easy to code :
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evel = velocity if level > 64 then Led0 on Led1 On Led2 On if level >80 then Led0 on Led1 On Led2 On Led3 On
etc ..
search in BLM with RGB Led there is a sort of this code
if the velocity is under 64, there is only one led
if 64<velocity<80 there is 2 leds
is >80 there is 3 led
i've coded in 8 colors (so 8 leds) velocity scale (0-127)
please
it is possible apply this "option" on a midibox hui for a meterled to place aside the motorized fader for show the volume parameter
of the DAW rack channel (pro tools , logic , cubase , Live…) ?
thanks
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On 06 giugno 2012 at 8:41 PM, Brathering said:
hi , link seem no work ,
any chance for working one ?
thanks
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On 20 agosto 2020 at 0:03 PM, totoRaymond said:
Hi Everyone!
It's been a while since my last update, but the project keeps going on. Although a bit slowly since the family got a new member.
I now have almost every pcbs tested and working as intended! I just need to buy a few more switches a make a case for all that stuff!
I'm still having trouble with motorfaders though... they work but make a big rattling noise when moving slowly...
Cheers!
Thomas
Hi , it include also some option (patch) to "drive" virtual instruments ?
cheers
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On 19 gennaio 2020 at 5:28 PM, ssp said:
Got a few things working but not there yet
A nice bit complex "brain" set in progress ...
and a good "C" code little guide thread….
… hoping that it will be extended to what is needed for MB-NG
cheers
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MidiBox 20 years Birthday what a run : )
Happy Birthday !
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W O W
Will be showed to the next Namm and Muzik Messe ?
the software sequencer is custom made ?
cheers
ps:
are you from Zürich ?
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On 01 febbraio 2018 at 1:06 AM, Antichambre said:On 01 febbraio 2018 at 2:18 PM, eptheca said:
it sounds to me that you are into making electronic music, not electronics
this place is mostly for those that want to do both
I don't think anybody here do this to save time or money. For many of us MIDIbox is a hobby / passion / obsession ;)
If you need a MIDI controller, Novation makes one for every need
If you want a similar sequencer, Sequentix Cirklon seems like "the second best in class"
Thanks for post eptheca , ( your "sunglasses" are so cool )
Novation ? No ! do not have nothing similar to that required ,
i checked all most knowed manufacturers unfortunately no one have a device as required , (otherwise I would not be here to talk about , but to doing / making music with that device)
Have also to say that Mpc "high" series models apart , the rest are all low cost plastic and parts ….so not pro range devices …, so No thanks !!!
Cirklon not so bad tool as concept and device , well built ! But in my humble opinion need a good development / evolution ,
because the layers concept of parameters block type can be good for save money for data entry parts like potentiometers , buttons , displays , surface panel , and related,
but is a big "Handicap" for fast access to specific parameters edit , that is essential for live performances ,
in a home or studio situation there is all the time to stop ,
-> go to parameters block page ,
-> search the parameter ,
-> edit it and back to play .
in a Live performance : NOT !
And why an hardware sequencer in studio ?
To spend lot of more time than a software sequencer computer based for do the same things ? ( or less )
For me and so many many many other musicians do not have any sense !!!
Apart save as midi file and put it in the hardware sequencer ,
So Sorry !!
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11 hours ago, Antichambre said:
It's a shame that the new generation does not open a book and absolutely need video to start something!
Remember "We are a secret society" we can not appear on a video! :)
And by definition, a beginner is someone who starts something ;)
Have a good night...
Ricercait was perhaps a student or teacher/method problem ?we would not have lost one of the genes of our times , if he had not met the right mentor ?
i agree : it can be a shame ..
but world change continuously ( evolution? , and in way of communication too )
and it will change again , better or worse, who can say? only the story ! (in spite of ourselves)
diversity is power ,
or are you for a clones world ? (in point oh views intended , in this thread , .. in the universe for the rest ...)
i wrote (and i'm irremovably convinced ! ) that : there is not bad students but only bad teachers !!!
the difference ? only and only and only... : The Method !!!
since you are on the side of the books (me too , but partially , new "media" greatly reduce learning time ,
..like : an image show what millions of words can not)
have you ever read the true story of Mr Electromagnetism ? (a.k.a. Michael Faraday )
it was perhaps a student or teacher/method problem ?
we would not have lost one of the genes of our times , if he had not met the right mentor ?
and how many others we have lost (and we will lose it again) thanks to "unsuitable" methods ?
returning a bit on the topic ,
want to recall the fact that the very big part of musician that uses electronic devices/instruments for make music ,
want spend the available time to make music ,
and a part of them agree to put a part of that time to make (or try to) a device that ( unfortunately still ) is not available on the market .
PS: probably the cooler side of …. ; )
11 hours ago, Antichambre said:... "We are a secret society" ...
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….. and is what seemed pretty obvious as far as it can be learned from available documentation (about the non profit)
not the same for the "C" software part ( ….for "debutantes" intended , sorry) .
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Just now, goyousalukis said:
Yes, there are tons of great videos out there now on all manner of things. You have to remember that the MidiBox goes back at least to 2001 when I first started building a verys simple midibox. Back then, youTube was in it's infancy. You say the guy doesn't have an economic interest, but the first thing to come up is an ad for his Patreon page where people can donate. I guarantee that he had an economic interest in the videos. I understand that you expect a video tutorial, but there isn't one. So what are you going to do now?
Anyways, it is clear that we can't change your mind - good luck!
more thanks for post ,
…ops
… , are u saying that there are "things/sides" of midi box that cannot be showed by video tutorials for copyright reason and related ?
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24 minutes ago, goyousalukis said:
My first project was a midibox 8 with 8 analog faders back around 2001. My advice would be to order some parts and get started. If you wait for someone to make a step by step video, you will never start. Just get a core, a digital in and a digital out PCB and a couple of encoders, buttons and leds. Once you get started, you will either figure it out or get frustrated and quit. The initial investment is pretty small, maybe $100-$150. If you aren't willing to risk that to get started, then as others have said, this isn't the place for you. I will tell you, the moment when you first start it up and get midi signals flowing into your computer, is a pretty neat experience.
hello , and thanks for reply !
( I extremely envy your logo)
i posted the link only as well , about that i tried to say in what posted ,
considered the age of this place , a New arrival that visit for first time this nice place would expect some video tutorial ,
at least for "standard" settings , as showed in that video tutorial ,
moreover made by a guy that seem to do not have any economic interest about (banners apart).
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That i mean "video tutorial" (beginner-proof)
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On 20 marzo 2013 at 11:22 PM, FantomXR said:
For those of you, who don't want to use 2x8 encoders at a time, here is the first design of a PCB I made. There are a few things to improve, but it's working!
In the next days I will equip another PCB with the parts and see, if the forwarding is working and if there is enough space for all the connectors / connections.
For now the LEDs are driven by the 74H595 only and each LED is feeded with 15mA. I think, for later use they are not bright enough. I don't think, things will change, if I use a ULN2803 for driving the LEDs, because the difference in brightness between 15mA or 20mA is really not that much. Maybe I should use other LEDs...
Hello FantomXR,
there is also available a single pcb with 8 rotary encoders each with leds ring and 1 , 2 or 3 switches "place" as well + cascade connection option
for get a single or more lines with 8,16,24,32…. rotary encoders connected in cascade mode ?
thanks
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14 hours ago, latigid on said:
…. we look forward to seeing your first MIDIbox in action soon!
So Thanks "Latigid On" !
( I'm trying to work on it )
2 hours ago, Antichambre said:Yes you're right! Coding, electronics, etc... Here, we are all genius, exceptional people. Anyone who already built a Box and play with it, have a consequent background in a lot of domain. We are all individually, experts in C(all languages in fact), we all speak a minimum of 6 languages, we have all an innate gift in electronic, with an unbelievable capacity in engineering, design and development in general. We are all music professional, of course! We are all extremely good at our hands too. For example, last week I was in Cambodia for an open-heart operation on a 5-year-old child, I saved him. Now I'm resting a bit but I'm leaving next week, I have to finish plans and model of the future highest tower in the world, ... And it's the same for everybody here.
Sorry, but for us life is easy, we are a secret society... But You got us!
Welcome!
Thanks for post "Antichambre" !
Happy to know all that you wrote in the post…, and happy for you too
(…it seem something like that "unknown paradise secret planet ", … also tax havens ? )
but "Jokes" aside , I seem to have mentioned only about electronics talent and talented guys ( dna )
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the rest is out of the topic ,
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Yess so true ! i'm so happy to have found this place !!! So endlessly Thanks "TK" to have created it !!!
And I would be even happier if it became a bit more "usable" as well for beginners (not electronics experts/talented/tutor assisted…)
before internet , youtube , and all other kind of today available free medias , all of this was impossible (i.m.h.o.)
is it not true that a video or a picture say what millions of words cannot ?
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Ps:
The same "information" can be given in an easy way , understandable to all ,
and in a "complex/messy/wry/twisted" … and related ways …, understandable only for "some" ,
or also nobody (…… politicians typical style )
…."someone" said that there are no bad students but only bad teachers...
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35 minutes ago, Antichambre said:
I think it's a limited view, we all told you the opposite, and some people here are perfect example for this thing that you don't want to believe.
If you want something easy, and refuse any challenge, you will learn nothing. Sorry, maybe MIDIbox is not for you ;)
I don't understand why you don't want to believe us... You insistence is a non sense for me.
the only way to prove it to you would be if you try. but here we go round and round.
Best
BrunoThanks for post Bruno !
part of reply is on the previous post….
and it is not a "challenge" factor , any day is a challenge (in these times...)
...in "summary" no possible make simple as possible for not experts the software part ?
more thanks !
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1 hour ago, Smithy said:1 hour ago, Smithy said:
This is a diy community, not Elektron or Roland. There simply isn't enough time or members on here to provide that level of documentation in videos.
By all means, if you would like to go ahead and do such videos if you learn whats already available on ucapps, and the wiki go ahead.
I'm sorry but if you can't follow the instructions that are already there then maybe this community isn't for you.
Complaining that it isn't more user friendly is only dragging the community down and wasting peoples time.
From a MIDIbox noob who can't code one line of C.
Thanks for post Smithy !
Roland ? Elektron ? no thanks ! ! ! (they do not have what me and many others are here for ..)
Ok : want a MidiBox ? Read all documentation about ! (...it had never been done…. by many... )
as wrote above (if you have read it) , the problem is not about hardware solder - assembly and related ,
but is about the software , please it is really a "crime" ask for a more "easy" to understand "way / media" ?
(in the age video tutorials)
And saying :
"if you can't follow the instructions that are already there then maybe this community isn't for you."
(Thing that me and so many others are still doing from years / months )
can only confirm the title-topic o the thread ,
no possible any "evolution" of "basic" instructions documentation for help the many not "experts" ?
re-confirm (again) the "topic" ,
friendly much thanks the same for your post !
ps :
…. and about this ?
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29 minutes ago, Phatline said:
good point! its far better the ui is updated directly via srio then via midi sysex cc or notes.. 32th blinking of 16x2 trigger indicatos bling and blang via midi making trouble... for example i have connected a sequencer to a blm(acts as controller) but all trigger indicators are leds from the sequencer to give timed indication
isnt there any mb bus? from core to core
6 hours ago, Hawkeye said:...checked the start info page of MBNG http://www.ucapps.de/index.html?page=mbhp_core.html and seem it support 128 rotary encoders and 2048 leds (cool...or i'm wrong?) , then 32 - 48 rotary encoders x 16 leds each = 512 - 768 ... About lcd display however seem still only 2 screens (or i'm wrong :cry: .... , again ? )The Programma V1 prototype "uses" MBNG - and consists of 64 "pushable" encoders, 1024 LEDs and 24 OLED screens, these are even graphical OLEDs, that would allow to display nice additional informations, like envelopes, if there ever is the time to code that :), so no real limitation on screen real estate.
That's why i recommended you to build a MBNG if you want a great synth controller.
Or if you have the time, wait for MBProgramma V2 (that will be also and always be based on MBNG), that will have PCBs available and will be well-documented. It will just take (a lot) of time, but it is definitely on the TODO-list.
Good enough for a start-point? Imho you really need to decide on what you really want to do FIRST, is it a MBSID, a MBSEQ or a MBNG?
This thread here should be used primarily for Programma discussion...Many greets,
PeterMany Thanks Peter !
…I'm re-checking the lot of docs about NG , cause as wrote synth programmer is always the n. 1 device i need to have (a.s.a.p.)
the SEQ for live performances is n.2 of the "list" as i like the "unconventional" cool options it have ,
but due to some limitations of the same , i have to keep using my Akai mpc 4k and 5k (Tanks….. , Mpc X still under "stress test")
"Programma V2" (the evolution) ? Nice news ! so interesting !
Great work about Oled displays !!!
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…ops no reply ???
Anyway seem : Yes it can "Learn"
(unfortunately as for so many other more option no sufficient info for the not "Experts"
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ps:
"untested"
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On 05 dicembre 2017 at 3:57 PM, Zam said:
again.. I don't get your point here, MB_NG is so easy, there is no C involved for setup...
You can't ask for deep access in a system and in the mean time asking no work at your side to handle it.
MB_NG have mostly every things you can think about without any effort... by the time you'll use it and find limitation, you'll be able to code in C
Best
Zam
More thanks Zam !!!
(i write about at the end of this post)
On 05 dicembre 2017 at 8:07 PM, Antichambre said:I did not learn coding at school. Just some basic and logo programming on an amstrad CPC when I was very young then a long time ago.
I was forced to "resume" programming because I work a lot on Autocad, the only way to add functions or behaviours useful to my job was to get interested in Lisp, VBA and now .NET. I am still not an "expert", I have the basics, my code is neither beautiful nor fast, it works. It takes me a lot of time sometimes but it is always for either to win after or for fun like here. All that to say that it depends on the interest you have there.
In addition to the MBNG, which makes the customization within the reach of my grandmother;) ... the procedures and functions of MIOS are simple, TK has ensured. It's like a car, you do not have to know how it works inside, you just have to know how to drive it.
In addition, the platform does not stop at programming, it is a vast space of knowledge, mechanics, electronics, and so on, all for one and only purpose, music. Everyone can find his place and bring his stone.
Some here do not program but are engines of the platform. ;)
So no, MIDIbox is not only for experts in C, that's for sure.
Thanks for post Antichambre !
sorry , but no ! i (still) don't think so it is possible complete a MidiBox by someone without electronics natural talent self taught
or school preparation (public or private) or tutor assisted (father, brother, friend … and why not
girlfriend too as well
)
i write about at the end of this post .
On 05 dicembre 2017 at 9:14 PM, Phatline said:oh i had the same, thoughts back in the days... not knowing what a external c-function is, and where the hell they are - thats a thing to learn first to get a point how TK arrange things...
since i learned how to wiki, i also document that - for me to remember - and for other to get some inspiration.
hmm i see three options:
* learn how to NG-Script
* learn no NG-Script - learn C instead + get the compiler running on your Computer
* ask someone who do the programming for you... but if you want to change something after - you probably have to script or c again.
i personally never learned c in shool or mentor...
back in the days when max4live come up, i startet with graphical programming (Without c), t
he programm i created, i later programmed on TK MIOS32, and i learned only the c-things i needet to get the programm running which i already know -via internet youtube and google researching- i was knowing what i need and want... i cant learn anything that i dont need @ the moment ... i am no expert too, but i make my own devices and jam with my bandmate every week since years...
a "only musican" should just ask a friend to help him
a musican which want to use custom or setup a custom midicontroller - have to explore that matter and that take time and entusiasm
thanks for post Phatline!
i write about at the end of post.
On 06 dicembre 2017 at 8:40 PM, Elektruck said:For me the same, I never programmed or wrote any code before I started midiboxing. In the meantime I've build a lot of different midiboxes and I'm still far from being a programmer, although I'm a wannabee now, cause I know how handy it is.
I recognize your point, back in the days I red a lot on the uCapps site and forum and didn't get the whole picture, I didn't know where to start. After a while, several years, I just ordered some stuff to make a simple midicontroller, just 8 faders. As soon as I started the pieces fel into place and I came to understand the structure of MIOS and Midibox. And then I realized it was always there and the basics are quite simple. But it's also so big, so many possibilities that you can't put that into a simple video instruction. And it's very logical that you can't get the whole picture at once, but if you know what you would like to do you can start with it. I'm just glad people here put their effort in building their stuff and share it, and I can't expect them to also make video tutorials or so, but maybe it's handy, feel free if you start a project and do a video contribution!
And if you would like to build a Midibox you should have some interest in finding your way, otherwise you're far better off buying some commercial stuff.
Thanks for post Elektruck ! and so much compliments for your "Truck" it is simply so : A M A Z I N G
(all that you do with… included)
about your post it simply mean you are talented for electronics (i.m.h.o.)
15 hours ago, tago said:I'm sort of in the same boat and started nonetheless, but haven't finished something yet.
My main issue is having many hard/software related questions and a somewhat small Midibox community. I'm often in need of specific help that can't be found elsewhere.
Btw thanks to all trying to help out us beginners!
thanks for post Tago !
"Typical" situation (me included) of the most potential musicians (and not) MidiBox users
(less electronic "expert" tutor/assistant),
that are looking for one or more "serious" device that "help/support" in making music,
willing to build it because not in the market,
and are in the situation where hardware parts , soldering and put the hardware together ,
is not a big problem (also if with lot of time and patience , various "try & error" ….. and redo too)
and for some also the firmware install is not a "mission impossible" ,
but be sure that a C-code handle (more or less) will be necessary , for get a 100% working device ,
and the fact who finish a working Midibox is the confirm about it is able in handle the code or have assistant/tutor about (i.m.h.o.).
I hold to "point out" that many of MidiBox potential "owners"/users/beginners builders not C-code "experts" ("tutorless")
are serious adult people with music passion , not "time wasters" kids , and similar ,
so please "joke" a little is "welcome"
, but we are not some kind of "stupids"…… ,
Back to "topic" : >) "friendly" :
It's true that very lot of information are on the ucapps pages ,
unfortunately not all are understandable , and i.m.h.o not sufficient for a musician not "expert" about ,
…* : for example (only one of many cases) checking MBNG docs about how many lcd display can be connected to a core cpu, itì's indicated that more than 2 lcd require handle the code,
for address position of "info".
Some well made ("official") video tutorial that show the various possible configurations between core cpu , digital-analog in-out modules ,pots - encoders-buttons , lcd display , etc… ,
and about how to install the firmware with first power up of unit ,
with also some specific example of code handle like start the software for code handle,
how access to code , basic "function" about how edit-assign-modify , etc… ,
would not be a big help (...and so much "friendly" appreciated ) ?
(…giving further "positivity" to the device .., ... getting also some buck for each view … )
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On 07 dicembre 2017 at 3:35 PM, latigid on said:On 07 dicembre 2017 at 4:35 PM, Hawkeye said:
One lesson learned over the years: never try to mix functionalities in one hardware box, if they can be separated, while the usecase might be perfect for you, it most likely won't fit for other people.
What you probably want is a MBSEQ for sequencing and (later on, when the project is finished, PCBs are available and the build process is documented) a MBProgramma (or any other MBNG variant) for synth patch editing.
Many greets,
PeterThanks for the "lesson" Peter !!! (i'll keep it always in mind)
as you know (that i wrote in the MB only for experts)
First device i still really looking for and need is a synth programmer with much rotary encoders as possible (32 but 48 would better)
+lcd displays (need to see to what is assigned to the rotary encoders for fast direct edit "action"),
theB SEQuencer is also a cool device , and the v4 more .. , in the list as project 2 ,
the MBHui was for a various years period in the Wish list , at the end aborted because too many issues with moving faders and no pro tools option, at the end got an online chance Avid Command 8 for 250 bucks saving lot of build hours placed to make music
but not much happy with Command 8 , too few rotary encoders for edit synths and a good part of fxs plug ins too (: - ((
I have also been "tempted" frequently to start a Sid , another very cool "toy" , but the fact to not be 100% sure to finish it
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keep me to still use "quadrasid" vst (really not the same of MBSid but much near for that i need)
unfortunately after all still to the "start" point (: - ((
but never say never... and "Re-start"....
checked the start info page of MBNG http://www.ucapps.de/index.html?page=mbhp_core.html
and seem it support 128 rotary encoders and 2048 leds (cool...or i'm wrong?) ,
then 32 - 48 rotary encoders x 16 leds each = 512 - 768
About lcd display however seem still only 2 screens (or i'm wrong
.... , again ? )
http://www.ucapps.de/index.html?page=mbhp_core.html
more thanks !
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16 minutes ago, latigid on said:
Not possible
Nope
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1 hour ago, latigid on said:
Thanks !!!
please correct me if i'm wrong :
in the related image are showed only 4 slots for "cc" , also all the other "slots" can be set as "cc"on that page ?
(to use it as synth programmer , where each midi track and related assigned midi channel
is a pre-configured synth controls layout template , ready to be used , and also copied to another track for control a similar synth or another sound patch inside a " multi or combi " of the same synth )
and it is possible "insert" a second raw of 16 rotary encoders with lcd display , buttons etc.. for have direct control on more parameters ?
ps:
after a bit Depth look to that page , have to say that the Seq v4 have very lot of cool functions
but a single lcd display i.m.h.o. is not much a sufficient "interface" , no chance for a bit more large screen ?
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Just now, latigid on said:
Switching the hardware connections is not trivial. Maybe it could work with three Cores: one SEQ, one NG and one to forward the control surface/display data.
To me it doesn't make sense as the hardware/labelling is specific to each. I think most people would prefer two separate units with dedicated controls.
..... or the MidiBox SEQ Already includes dedicated "page" for synths (cc) parameters control inside any midi track ?
reachable, with the "next page" "scroll" function , by the up-down-left-right switches or dial ,
Neues MBLC Projekt
in Deutsch
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Sorry for entry in this thread ,
just for ask if is possible place a meterled aside each fader on the midibox hui ng (for show the volume level of the DAW ch-track)
and how many leds are possible to include on each meterled
thanks in advance.