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  1. MBProgramma: hardware synth patch programmer (MBNG variant with a defined hardware set)

    in MIDIbox User Projects

    Posted · Edited by zener

    ...as i also wrote in the "MB only for experts" thread" ...

    there is a chance that a single "controls panel" (the surface where rotary encoders , switches, etc.. are placed / connected)

    "drive" a "dual core" MidiBox (1 core for sequencer and 1 for the NG synths controller )

    switching / jumping between the 2 "cores" onfly to use for example in live performance , when during the sequencer "core" run the song ,

    the control panel surface can be switched to the other "core" (synth controller) for real time sound edit ?

    or it's required a "cross" switcher / device unit placed between the controls panel surface and the 2 "cores" ?

  3. MidiBox Cool Diy Device But Only For C-Code Experts

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    Posted · Edited by zener

    4 hours ago, eptheca said:

    Start with something easy / manageable and go from there.

    Again thanks so much for encourages !

    But personally i (and so many others) can't start (buying all parts) something that i'm not sure to complete ,

    for me is something like run "blindfolded" in the middle of a grove……., can you imagine the "concept" ?

    (not properly pertaining to the sense of intelligence…. )

    but different thing would be if the various MidiBox projects were supported with "serious" video tutorials , step by step pdf guides, etc..

    ok the forum would remain the "lighthouse" in the middle of the "sea" , as "main" home for, post , talk…. , solutions for issues , post images about cool MidiBox in build progress and finished,

     

    but there is really no way to make the software part of MidiBox more simpler and "accessible" for those so wide number of musicians that are not C-code experts "handlers" ?

     

    Which, however are looking for a serious solid (no cheap plastic and parts..) controller / programmer

    that has good number of : rotary encoders , function switches , lcd displays, ribbon strips, etc.. 

    for fast, direct, program,edit (with fun) … the hardware and software synths ,

    (not available on the market , neither the so f… absurdly expensive controller for pro tools that work only with their "tools"...)

     

  4. MidiBox Cool Diy Device But Only For C-Code Experts

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    Posted · Edited by zener

    4 hours ago, eptheca said:

    Yes there is a lot of information, but it's all there, and a big group of friendly and helpful people on the forum directs, encourages and debugs with you.

    Yess correct so lot of informations ,

    and no video tutorials or step by step guides (about software) , although online from many years ,

    and Yessssss i fully agree , very electronics talented good guys in this forum !!! :cheers:

    and also thanks for support offer and encourages !!! :happy:

    unfortunately it's also true that i have many post without any reply ! :cry:

    But the "core" of the "matter" don't change (unfortunately)

     

  5. MidiBox Cool Diy Device But Only For C-Code Experts

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    Posted · Edited by zener

    3 hours ago, eptheca said:

     

    I have never written, nor can I write, a line in Assembly or C

    I have only edited files in a text editor, compiled and uploaded.

     

    This means you have a so big "talent" for electronics and software ,

    (that most part of musicians do not have)

    why you did not do the related school ?

    ….anyway sorry , unfortunately i have so serious difficulties to believe it :cry:

  7. MidiBox Cool Diy Device But Only For C-Code Experts

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    Posted · Edited by zener

    13 hours ago, Hawkeye said:

    Hi Zener,

    MIDIbox is not just a platform for builders and coders, there are some very cool finished projects built upon it, and they are "ready for consumption" without any further coding necessities, e.g.

    As i wrote … , i agree about that MdiBox is a great start "point" to get a customized controller ,

    it have most of the necessary options about , 

    but set a unit as desired require C-Code "manipulation" by experts ,

    it is not like a "simple" firmware update-exchange , or synth sound banks backup-restore by midi exclusive code ,

    and about some good video tutorial would be really a great help ,

    …….then a very big part of potential users remains excluded ,  unfortunately.:cry:

    13 hours ago, Hawkeye said:

    …. a huge hardware controller attached to your good-sounding-but-limited-control-surface synth.

    This was the first reason why i checked (during sleepless nights)

    very tons of info from Ucapps archive and MidiBox forum ,

    the "target" was / still is a remote controller with a quantity of rotary encoders with led position ,

    function switches , lcd displays as well, for sound program on various Synths 

    hardware (with poor controls panel) & software (without controller) 

    in the fastest way possible ,

    then as any Synth (soft & hard) have a proper midi channel assigned on the sequencer midi track ,

    the controller unit must provide the possibility to jump between Synths (hard & soft )

    selecting the midi track on the software sequencer computer based ,

    like with a classic masterkeyboard do for play the synth or sound expander assigned to midi track and relative midi channel .

    ( have seen the MidiBox NG you built , so very nice unit !!! ….. i friendly "envy" you )

    13 hours ago, Hawkeye said:

     

    * MBSEQ: TK. has an open ear for user enhancement requests - if they fit in the "general scheme of things" or multiple users want "that one feature", he usually just implements them, just look at the revision log!

    "TK" is a so incredible guy ,

    the sequencer was the second reason of my endless nights on MidiBox docs and info ,

    firstly my interest is on the synth programmer ,

    but a good hardware sequencer "crash free" for live performances as second project is highly considered ,

    …….. overall if it give the possibility to drive synth filters on fly during/over the play of midi tracks...

     

    but as said above , without good video tutorials ,

    or step by step well described / explained guides

    about the software section ,

    i see it much impossible for not C-code experts .:cry:

     

     

     

     

  8. MidiBox Cool Diy Device But Only For C-Code Experts

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    Posted · Edited by zener

    After a number of years running up-down-in-out of dozens and dozens and dozens of threads ,

    thousand of posts and hours dedicated / missed  :pout: to get all info and helps necessary to complete a MidiBox Unit (Hui controller ,"NG", Sequencer), 

    at the end for all projects a very extensive knowledge of the C-Code is essential for get a full working unit (unfortunately) :cry:,

    i.m.h.o. MidiBox is a great project because the true "Force" of  this device is the possibility to obtain a customized device controller not available on the market  ,

    (ok so true it require a large number of hours for soldering and assembly (time is money!!! ) + parts cost )

    considered that many used midi-usb controllers can be found today for very low price , seem to really not have logical "sense" start with a MidiBox project ,

    But (as wrote above)  the fact that a customized controller device not available on the market can be obtained with the MidiBox projects

    give to this Device a very strong "force point"   , 

    that said ,

    the "issue" about the  extensive knowledge of the C-Code required is a so big limit / stumbling block for a large number of "potential" users :cry: ,

    that have the sufficient electronic knowledge for assembly/soldering  the hardware required ,

    but not for the software settings/customizations ,

    then the question is :

    There is really not a way to make the "software" project part more "friendly" and simple ?  8-I

     

     

  13. Midibox vs Ipad - as midi synth/daw "multi" programmer

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    Posted · Edited by zener

    ...

     

    Connect Mackie In to Midibox Core, Connect Mackie Out to Midibox Core Connect Synth CC in+out  to Midibox Core, Connect USB to to Midibox Core -the other end to a PC where your Plugins run.... THE CORE HAVE THE MIDI-IO..... the C4 is only a brainless I-O Device...where the CORE made Virtual Pots of the parameters...

     

    Thanks for post !!!

     

    please correct me if i'm wrong :

    then moving the mackie C4 rotary encoders , the midi messages go inside the core of midibox , where they are redirected to external midi sound generators destination  parameters ,

    i.e.  : in the midibox core "firmware" the midi messages received from mackie C4 rotary encoder n°1 ,

    have to be setted to go to a : midi out port -> midi channel 1-16 -> function/paramter n° 0->128 ?

    like a "translator" ?

     

    thanks in advance

    z.

  14. Midibox vs Ipad - as midi synth/daw "multi" programmer

    in MIDIbox HUIs

    Posted · Edited by zener

    <p><span style="font-family:arial, helvetica, sans-serif;">&lt;blockquote class=&quot;ipsBlockquote&quot; data-author=&quot;ilmenator&quot; data-cid=&quot;169495&quot; data-time=&quot;1427227614&quot;&gt;I think you need to do some more reading to fully understand the power of MIDIbox. I'd recommend you to have a look at &lt;a href=&quot;<a href="http://ucapps.de/">http://ucapps.de/</a>&quot;&gt;ucapps.de&lt;/a&gt; and check out the different hardware modules to get an idea. This will also answer your doubts about the number of MIDI ports available on a single core!&lt;/blockquote&gt;


    ....Checked the midibox info "center"  before start this thread...

     

    also many time before ....when looking for a diy Hui remote control for pro tools.....today available used for very low price
    like also for avid pro control, control24, command 8 , 002 and 003 desktop model , m audio project mix , recent Icon controllers

    mackie too , free Ipad Apps , and many others.....

     

    unfortunately it require too much very precious time for who are not electronics engineer ,
    ( precious time that have to be moved from making music to not very funny midibox/electronics construction )

     

    it's not an hardware mounting kit that require only some good ability/capacity of electronics assembly and soldering,
    a bit of system configuration firmware ability/capacity , and some hour on the web to buy all parts necessary ,

    In short : it's not a 2 ,3 days making of project ,

    (as it "should" be, as well ,and to become much better known,diffused, and used / developed than it is now)


    this "factor" makes it a time expensive/dispersive thing , almost useless

     

    Midibox it's of course a cool starting platform from which to develop and customize some nice device ,
    (or for who looking for something to customize and put on the market for get money.....)

     

    but unfortunately only for those who have done a few years of school or specific courses of electronics and software programming,
    ( if someone does not make it all a little bit more "simple/easy" )

     

    Time is money for who are not a student .......... unfortunately ... § - (
    better use this time to work and get money to use to buy what you want or need ,
    (also knowed as "productive" mode)

     

    In the various threads i checked ,
    i seen that long time is necessary for get a finished type of midibox that work properly ,
    specially for the software side , bugs to fix , customizations , and not simple other more things ,


    (and more) for that i seen in this forum there is not a thread with complete info necessary that allow to build a complete finished similar project , that work properly as multi midi sound generators programmer ,

     

    That could help me , and I would love to have in my setup , for speed up the boring and very very little creative sound programming process ,
    (a bit really sad....)


    Maybe one day....... "someone" ..... ( Chinese ? ) will wake up and.....

    (...and think about a few years ago we arrived on Mars...)

    peace

    z.

  15. Midibox vs Ipad - as midi synth/daw "multi" programmer

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    Posted

    No, I mean that a MIDIbox could act as the "translator" without actually having its own knobs.

    Ok , thanks for info !

     

    but as i need , mackie C4 do not have 4 separate assignable midi out ,

    and about a properly midibox hardware configuration is necessary,

     

    but i cannot found info if a single core can drive 4 or 6 indipendent midi output (each with 16 midi ch)

    or if it work as the "vintage" old midi trhu box where 1 midi input was connected in "parallel" to 4,6,8 midi output ,

    but only 16 midi channels available overall ,

     

    then midi input of the sound generators (synths,samplers,etc...)

    must be setted properly (each with a number of midi ch , .....flexible but not too much , also midi overflow always "lurking" because all data addressed to a single midi port/chip ) for avoid wrong midi commands "address.

     

    Here a partial bom list about ,

    (please post any "valid"info that can help)

    32 rotary encoders - better if have also push button function ?

    a number of digital input

    hardware for drive led rings

    push buttons for patches program , save and load , patches memory bank scroll ,etc....

    (for patches memory bank scroll ,save and recall a rotary encoder+push button as "enter" function  it's the right one , as in "mb sid")

     

    other more ?

     

    thanks in advance

    z.

  17. Midibox vs Ipad - as midi synth/daw "multi" programmer

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    Posted

    The Mackie C4 is a great piece of gear, very sturdy and the 2x56 character displays it uses are very nice with the 8 encoders underneath.

     

    You could always build a "translator" that simply translates/modifies what the C4 emits and receives, to something that your gear understands. Maybe based on the MIDIbox NG. This way you also get rid of the SysEx "problem" (which is not a shortcoming but actually a very elegant way of being able to transmit text messages onto the C4's display...). The C4 protocol is linked to in

     

    thanks for post

    i posted the c4 image only as layout example

    my "dream" programmer is as i described in the first post (with attached image)

     

    need to control 1 to 6 "external" midi sound "generators" and or combined setup with virtual instruments /plug ins,

     

    this type of setup require a programmer that can be configured in a "multi" mode (as described in the first post)

    to allow to edit different indipendent sound generators at the same time (each sound generator connected to 1 of the 4/6 programmer midi out)

    or a "hybrid" situation/setup , stand alone sound generators(synths,samplers...) and virtual instruments/plug ins

    for a "fast speed" sound editing ,

     

    z.

  19. Midibox vs Ipad - as midi synth/daw "multi" programmer

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    Posted · Edited by zener

    Hello ,

     

    looking for a stand alone "multi" devices remote "unit" as midi synth / daw programmer

    to use as midi remote "multi" control / programmer for synths / expanders that don't have dedicated panel

    with pots or faders , for direct access parameter ,

    also for virtual instruments / plug ins , as well .

    fot speed up programming process .

     

    checked around  but found nothing as dedicated and programmable "universal" hardware programmer unit

    like dedicated access for waldorf microwave , pg1000 for d50 , etc...

     

    I seen various software tools for ipad ,

    but work with only 1 unit at time (unfotunately)

     

    and "i.m.h.o." a rotary control (virtual pot) cannot be managed in the best way by swiping a finger over a lcd screen ,

    (unless it is graphically represented by a slider)

     

    The "true" midi "programmer" unit I'd like to have in my sound generators hardware (and virtual synth/plug ins) setup

    it's a device similar to mackie C4 layout (attached image)

    with 4 (or more) rotary encoders raws (each raw with 8 rotary encoders)

    each raw with a display (as the C4),

    4/6 separate midi output ,

    usb port (as well ),

    a number of push buttons for : setups, assign, entry , save-recall,

    also a rotary encoder with push/enter function for fast patch number scroll/selection  load-save.

     

    With the following "essentials" functions :

    - Full midi control change and midi command  support

    - Each rotary encoder assignable to a midi control change function/command , program change,etc....

    - "Single" mode : all rotary encoders raws work only with 1 external unit - midi out

    - "Multi" mode: any 1 of the 4 rotary encoders raws can be setted to a different of 4 midi out ,

    i.e. :

    "Single" mode :

    rotary encoders raw 1+2+3+4 to midi out 1 to 4 , all raws same midi channel from 1 to 16 ,

    or : each rotary encoders raw to a different midi ch , 1 to 16 (same midi out)

    "Multi" mode :

    rotary encoders raw 1+2  to midi out 1 , midi channel from 1 to 16

    rotary encoders raw 3 to midi out 2 , midi channel from 1 to 16

    rotary encoders raw 4 to midi out 3 , midi channel from 1 to 16

    or more:

    rotary encoders raw 1 to midi out 1 , midi channel from 1 to 16

    rotary encoders raw 2+3 to midi out , midi channel from 1 to 16

    rotary encoders raw 4 to midi out 3 , midi channel from 1 to 16

    etc....(very "flexible")

     

    - Patch save and recall , ("Patch" = 1 "Single" or "Multi" mode layout setup)

    - 100 or more patches memory bank

    - Patch Number recall/switch function by program change , for recall patches from sequencer,etc...

     

    too much for a midibox ?

     

    please post , if you think other more functions can be added as well .

    thanks in advance

    Z.

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  21. HUI controller questions

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    Posted · Edited by zener

    Hui protocol "pack" ?

     

    MotorMix protocol "Pack" ?

     

    ..This is the "question" ....  

     

    Still looking for a unit with  24/32 rotary pots (8 rotary are not enough)

    Include Lcd , for "True" real time control Synths and plug ins in pro tools ...

    but nothing more ..around ...

    (except for f.... expensive contol 24 or C24 , include service for repair and spares ..) 

     

    Can be the midibox a solution that "work properly" ?

     

    :sad:

  22. Possible a lcd display with 6-8 rows?

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    Posted

    thanks "nils" .....

    i'm checking tons of pages about midibox .....

    (unfortunately not so fast ...)

    my "target" is verify if is possible make a midibox as remote synth programmer" control

    with much parameters as possible showed in more then 1 lcd display (like "ma-ckie" c4 control)

    z.

    The first one you linked has a T6963C controller. Now you need to figure out if it's supported by MIOS yet. Go to ucapps.de and check under "LCD module".

    The first one you linked has a KS0108B controller. Now you need to figure out if it's supported by MIOS yet. Go to ucapps.de and check under "LCD module".

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