Sinfourmusic Posted September 12, 2010 Report Share Posted September 12, 2010 Hey guys (and girls??) First of all, i'm a total noob to this.. so be patient :) I'm new to this forum, but been a fan of Midibox Sid for to long without doing anything about it.. I'm a music producer witin the EDM genre, more specific Progressive trance/breaks/House and Techno. I use mostly software, as you can get everything you need. Bought QuadraSID from REFX some yars ago, but i feel that its not eenogh for me... Now i want to build my own MidiBox SID (with a lot of help of course). I'm always been a fan of commodore 64 games and music, and i have 4 commodore 64s. And i guess (since they all work and have sound) the Sid chips works, but have no idea wich SID Chip is in wich commodore, and i guess there could be lots of different ones... those commodores i have was bought in 1982-83 and one in 1984. Is it only MOS 6581 wich is mostly used in Midiboxes, or does it matter at all? :) I'm guessing i can use 1 chip to generate sound, but i also guess, more chips = more features/options? I can't wait to get this project started, but I have no deadline, so hopefully this will be learning by doing over time. All replies will be appreciated :) //Sinfour www.soundcloud.com/sinfour Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Altitude Posted September 12, 2010 Report Share Posted September 12, 2010 (edited) Welcome aboard! (I dont think there are any gurrrls here, maybe smithy :turned: ) There are 3 different chips that are consider "SID" chips and the midibox SID is compatible with all of them: 6581: Original chip in C64. Bunch of revisions of this, bit noisey, "flawed", 12V powered (the MBsid has be built accordingly, it has options for both) 8580: Later, revised SID used in C64C and 128 machines. Improvement to chip, now 9VDC powered 6582: What the 8580 evolved into (identical), used in add-on sound devices They all have similar sounds and features, the controls will be the same for all. Right now, you have 3 options as far as building one goes: 1) Contact Wilba and get on the sammichSID wait list (complete kit) 2) Purchase MB6582 boards and partial kit from SmashTV. He offers a mainboard PCB and parts kit and the control surface PCB, you will need to source display, SID, and CS parts and buy a case and panels, everything is well documented in the WIKI, this can take 1-8 SID chips 3) Purchase a Core8 and mbSID pcb from smash as roll your own. Most advanced option, but has the most flexibility. You can get this running with just a LCD a few buttons and an encoder but a pretty steep learning curve if you are not into this kind of stuff. Edited September 12, 2010 by Altitude Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sinfourmusic Posted September 12, 2010 Author Report Share Posted September 12, 2010 Thanks a lot for fast reply :) I just opened up 2 of my commodores, and viola, 2 x 6581's. Just got a phonecall from a guy wich have a commodore for sale, so i buy one for gaming aswell I guess for my Midibox, 4 chips will be enough since i have 4 commodores (soon to be 5 i guess!) And I the sammichSID kit wait list is waaay long? They seems rather popular these days. i will use a commodorecase for the Midibox, but with nice colours or even wrapped. many cool pictures of midiboxes on this forum. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hawkeye Posted September 12, 2010 Report Share Posted September 12, 2010 (edited) Hi, if you are into filters and resonance, the 8580 / 6582 are better than the 6581, just what altitude said. Also I´d highly recommend building the MB6582, as it is fairly easy to build and you have eight slots for SIDs, which really rocks (Sammich is "only" 2) Edited September 12, 2010 by Hawkeye Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sinfourmusic Posted September 14, 2010 Author Report Share Posted September 14, 2010 Thanks for reply guys :) I think i will go for the MB6582 as its seems to be the one i'm looking for. Filters and Resonace isnt that important for me, so i guess i stick to the 6851 chips i already have. Not sure if both 6851 and 6852/8580 can be combined in the same synth? Alright, let the project start :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hawkeye Posted September 14, 2010 Report Share Posted September 14, 2010 (edited) Hi Sinfourmusic, yes 6581 and 8580/6582 can be combined in the MB-6582 (just use the same types in each of the four stereo channels). You should then build the baseboard with PSU power option B (http://www.midibox.o...struction_guide) There also appears to be a rather nice frontpanel construction guide available since a few weeks :) () :-)) Bye, Hawkeye Edited September 14, 2010 by Hawkeye Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sinfourmusic Posted September 24, 2010 Author Report Share Posted September 24, 2010 FSorry for late reply, but thanks again Hawkeye for information :) I think i got it now, so will start buying the kits as soon as possible! cheers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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