gillesdeshays Posted February 17, 2004 Report Share Posted February 17, 2004 here is my design for my new MB ...Original size : 500mm/350mm My problem is : 61 encoders + 43 buttons = more than 128 DIN .....Must i use another core ?If yes, i want to use it as i use my MB16+, i mean with "layers" ...my first layer command my first mixer in Reason, and if i switch (with the 4 switches on the MB16+) to the second layer, it controls the second mixer ...But i don't know ow it works with MIOS .... :-[ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gillesdeshays Posted February 17, 2004 Author Report Share Posted February 17, 2004 and .. i made the panel with Fdesigner .. do you think 2.5mm is enough for a such panel ? (500mm*350mm) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gillesdeshays Posted February 17, 2004 Author Report Share Posted February 17, 2004 come on ! ;) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doc Posted February 17, 2004 Report Share Posted February 17, 2004 Hi,I think 2.5mm is not enough. I would say a 3mm minimum if its done in aluminium.doc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gillesdeshays Posted February 17, 2004 Author Report Share Posted February 17, 2004 ok thanks !and for the DIN problem ?I think 128 ( 4 x Din ) is the max inputs .... no ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doc Posted February 17, 2004 Report Share Posted February 17, 2004 Sure you'll need another core. 128 DIN is the maximum, I think. Perhaps TK can give you advice on the layer problem.Doc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gillesdeshays Posted February 17, 2004 Author Report Share Posted February 17, 2004 i must "definitivly" use 2 core ...but .. let me explain ...I work like this :i use Reasoni make several 14:2 mixeri want to "switch between layers" as i do with my MB16+ ( the 4 select switch = 16 layers )I.E .. i'm using "layer 1" which control the main mixer I switch to "layer 2" which control the Drum mixer ( another midi assignment )the i switch to "layer 3" which control the Synth mixer ...etc ..etc ...I really don't know how mios can :1 - switch between layer ? ( bankstick ??)2 - Switch layer on 2 core in the same time... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TK. Posted February 17, 2004 Report Share Posted February 17, 2004 MIOS can everything what you want, but there most also be somebody who programs it on the way you want... ;-)It's not possible to handle more than 128 DINs, but on the other hand it would be possible to implement a button matrix scan algorithm in order to save some digital inputs (so that they are free for the encoders).Example: for 64 buttons you could also use 8 digital output pins and 8 digital input pins, combined to a button matrix.Only problem: something like this has to be programmed into the application. And it's currently not provided by MB64E - so if somebody feels motivated for doing this, I can give you some more implementation hintsOf course, it would also be possible to control another core from the MB64E application, you can switch banks of another MIOS based MB64/MB64E/MBMF with the MIDI remote feature. You could also control the bank switch inputs of the MIDIbox Plus from another core - in fact you can really do what you want, but don't expect that I will do everything for you ;-)So my suggestion: if you don't want to program it by yourself, ask other people who are planning on exactly the same hardware for help.Best Regards, Thorsten.FAQMARKER Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gillesdeshays Posted February 17, 2004 Author Report Share Posted February 17, 2004 MIOS can everything what you want, but there most also be somebody who programs it on the way you want... ;-)"Hey ! MIOS ! One coffee please !" ;DIt's not possible to handle more than 128 DINs, but on the other hand it would be possible to implement a button matrix scan algorithm in order to save some digital inputs (so that they are free for the encoders).Example: for 64 buttons you could also use 8 digital output pins and 8 digital input pins, combined to a button matrix.Only problem: something like this has to be programmed into the application. And it's currently not provided by MB64E - so if somebody feels motivated for doing this, I can give you some more implementation hints Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest jimminy Posted February 18, 2004 Report Share Posted February 18, 2004 It looks like you are dedicating 4 knobs for each channel to you EQ section. We discussed recently an alternative that I think is really good, and easier/cheaper.The idea is to have 1 set of eq knobs, encoders rather than pots, then have 1 button at each channel to select the channel your EQ knobs will be controlling. You wouldn't regularly be adjusting EQ on 2 seperate channels at the exact same time anyways, and rather than have 4x14=56 pots, you have 4 pots and 14 buttons. less pots/cost/panelspace/etc. I may do this with the send and insert sections too, but I'm using Cubase so it's a bit different.Look for that thread, it's pretty recent.Jimminy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gillesdeshays Posted February 18, 2004 Author Report Share Posted February 18, 2004 ok .. I'll use 2 cores with MB64e ....just one question :in the "midibox64e_sfb_table.txt", there's :1.21 = FF 08 41 # select Group and Bank with any encoder FF 08 41 | Select Group with the first, and Bank with the second encoder during button is pressed So, the 2 firsts or any encoder ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TK. Posted February 18, 2004 Report Share Posted February 18, 2004 encoder 1 selects the groupencoder 2 selects the bankencoder 3 selects the groupencoder 4 selects the bankencoder 5 selects the groupencoder 6 selects the bankencoder 7 selects the groupencoder 8 selects the bank...now clear? ;-)Just try it out once your MB64E is ready!!!Best Regards, Thorsten. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gillesdeshays Posted February 18, 2004 Author Report Share Posted February 18, 2004 extremly clear ! ;D Just try it out once your MB64E is ready!!! mmmmmmmmm.......... i'm waiting for the parts ... and i prefer to check if all will works perfectly ...... because i will have few days ( hours ...? :'( ) to repeat my live set ...For now i cannot see how i use the SFB " FF 08 41 " to switch between banks on the main core and also in the same time on the slave core ....I follow my quest ..... ;)PS: may you can change the midibox64e_sfb_table.txt@ FF 08 41 line, using "par and odd" rather than "first and second" ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TK. Posted February 18, 2004 Report Share Posted February 18, 2004 See mb64e_sysex.inc how MIDI remote worksJust assign the SysEx string to a Meta button...Best Regards, Thorsten. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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