dstamand Posted June 21, 2007 Report Share Posted June 21, 2007 Good morning all genius, ;DI just successfully got my encoders working on my MB64E app, now i can't get it to work the way i want. I need endless rotation encoders, no 0-127 limit. My purpose is for a DJ jog wheel, it can't be limited to 2, 6... 10... or wathever rotations, it need to be unlimited.Am i wrong ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sasha Posted June 21, 2007 Report Share Posted June 21, 2007 Hello, dstamand. There is no limited encoders. Your encoders are fine. Encoder usually have 24 pulses, and MB64E is the one that convert those pulses to MIDI steps (0-127). You need to configure your encoders on MB64E to send relative values not absolute, but your software needs to support it at first place. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dstamand Posted June 21, 2007 Author Report Share Posted June 21, 2007 My english writing is not very good...I know the encoders are endless ::) i did tried to configure my encoders on my MB64E to send relative values but it failed. I use Serge's "vmidibox64e" utility. I have a LCD, must be done with it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dstamand Posted June 21, 2007 Author Report Share Posted June 21, 2007 I just tried with my LCD connected to the core and when i set the enc to INC/DEC, i only get 1 or 127, i use midihack to look at the midi messages and i don't get any incremental value. 8142 B0 61 01 Control Change, channel 1, controller = 97, value = 1 8166 B0 61 01 Control Change, channel 1, controller = 97, value = 1 8178 B0 61 01 Control Change, channel 1, controller = 97, value = 1 8199 B0 61 01 Control Change, channel 1, controller = 97, value = 1 8234 B0 61 01 Control Change, channel 1, controller = 97, value = 1 8366 B0 60 01 Control Change, channel 1, controller = 96, value = 1 8404 B0 60 01 Control Change, channel 1, controller = 96, value = 1 8422 B0 60 01 Control Change, channel 1, controller = 96, value = 1 8438 B0 60 01 Control Change, channel 1, controller = 96, value = 1 8458 B0 60 01 Control Change, channel 1, controller = 96, value = 1I tried every other enc mode settings and no success.Btw, my software support incremental.I really need to get it done, meeeh! :'( Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stryd_one Posted June 21, 2007 Report Share Posted June 21, 2007 Sounds relative to me - 1=down 127=up.Btw, my software support incremental.And what kind of MIDI message does it expect as an up/down? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TK. Posted June 21, 2007 Report Share Posted June 21, 2007 There are more relative modes provided, not only Inc/Dec, e.g. 40 +/- Speed, which is supported by software of Native InstrumentsBest Regards, Thorsten. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dstamand Posted June 21, 2007 Author Report Share Posted June 21, 2007 I'm using M-Audio Torq DJ software, the software scratch wheel midi control is supposed to learn CC-Relative.The Torq software default is Ch1, 22.Well, nothing append if not Absolute enc mode is set in the midibox. I've tried all enc mode.I think it is M-Audio software glitch. I'm going to seek help from them.Thank you so much TK for the midibox. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dstamand Posted June 22, 2007 Author Report Share Posted June 22, 2007 Just tried with Traktor 3, works perfectly. Smooth scratch and a lot of adjustment in the software. I'm waiting for M-Audio to answer my request. They change the midi engine in the last Torq version 1.04, many other controller has stop working with Torq since but the new M-Audio Xponent control surface scratch wheel works really good :-X. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sasha Posted June 22, 2007 Report Share Posted June 22, 2007 May I ask something slightly off topic... why do you prefer Torque over other DJ programs that are much longer in use? What is special about it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Screaming_Rabbit Posted June 22, 2007 Report Share Posted June 22, 2007 They change the midi engine in the last Torq version 1.04, many other controller has stop working with Torq since but the new M-Audio Xponent control surface scratch wheel works really good :-X.... welcome to the proprietary world of digidesign :-* (I think they bought M-Audio - right?)It wasn't changed to make it work better but just because they don't want other controllers to work with it anymore.Greets, Roger Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dstamand Posted June 22, 2007 Author Report Share Posted June 22, 2007 ... welcome to the proprietary world of digidesign :-* (I think they bought M-Audio - right?)It wasn't changed to make it work better but just because they don't want other controllers to work with it anymore.Greets, RogerMIDI control can be assigned to the scrolling waveforms (for scratching with a device other than Xponent).This is why they did the changes. I'm still waiting feedback from them this morning.____ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dstamand Posted June 22, 2007 Author Report Share Posted June 22, 2007 May I ask something slightly off topic... why do you prefer Torque over other DJ programs that are longer in much use? What is special about it?I like the way the waveform is displayed, the 16 cells sampler that sync to master tempo, the built-in effects, vst plug-ins support, the way looping works etc... It all come with an Asio soundcard, 4 in, 4 out. I just paid 289$ CAN for all of this.I know That Traktor is a powerfull piece of DJ software. I was to buy it last January when i choose Torq instead.Check those free Torq/Xponent Tutorial videos at http://www.torq-dj.com/videos/ with Chad Carrier.____ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sasha Posted June 22, 2007 Report Share Posted June 22, 2007 I watched the video. Nice! Scratching sounds pretty good. Side by side waveform seams very helpful.Thanks for an answer. ;) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dstamand Posted June 22, 2007 Author Report Share Posted June 22, 2007 I got this reply from Chad.Torq is designed to increment any time it receives a MIDI CC greater than 64 (the higher the number, the greater the nugde). It will decrement any time a value of 63 or less is received. If your controller has various output modes, try swithing it to one that corresponds to the behavior I just described.-Chad Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stryd_one Posted June 22, 2007 Report Share Posted June 22, 2007 Sooo........ 1 or 127 should work then? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dstamand Posted June 23, 2007 Author Report Share Posted June 23, 2007 by chance, i just got my M-Audio Xponent tonight, the Jog wheel send midi:B0 16 41 for up at lower rotation speed, faster turns = bigger number values.B0 16 3F for down at lower rotation speed, faster turns = smaller number values.Now, about my midibox encoder, i know my problem, my encoder don't turn fast enough, i'm going to multiply by 10 the rotation speed of my jog wheel encoder with a belt. I'm sure it will work after that change.Thanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stryd_one Posted June 23, 2007 Report Share Posted June 23, 2007 i know my problem, my encoder don't turn fast enoughSo did you try a different encoder type? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dstamand Posted June 23, 2007 Author Report Share Posted June 23, 2007 So did you try a different encoder type?I only have "Bourns encoder 24 Detents, 24 PPR", but i have two brand new Optical encoder byUS Digital http://www.usdigital.com/products/e2/ that has 100 pulse by rotation :o.Pin out is :1 Ground2 Index3 A channel4 +5VDC power5 B channel Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stryd_one Posted June 23, 2007 Report Share Posted June 23, 2007 100PPR encoders don't quite match the spec :( Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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