[So good!]

I just needed to come online very quickly and reiterate how f*cking good this MB-6582 sounds. :thumbsup:

It's been such a joy to listen to. I'm putting it on a second episode of this cartoon I'm working on (a second episode with an outer space theme) and I'm having problems getting work done because I get so distracted whenever I start playing it. It sounds so damn good I just want to play it and make sounds... not do "work!" The presets are incredible and I've been able to program some fun stuff for the show and my other little project that I now have no time for because of this show.

One day I'll be able to come up for air, write more and post pictures and sounds.

This thing is so covered in awesome-sauce I might drown in it. :afro:

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Ok.

Think I found part of the problem, now that I've come back with a more clear head. (The way I've been over-reacting to everything makes it clear that my choice to be a musician was much better for the world than if I had pursued my other dream of being an airline pilot... lives have been saved due to that choice, I'm sure...)

My SPV values were all maxed out. Once I turned that off, I was finally able to play it. I thought it might be something like that, but I had thought it was more about MIDI channels.

I now only have two cores installed and 4 SIDs

one of the sids I pulled had some bent pins, so that must have been the cause of the weird communication issues?

In my haste yesterday, I went ahead and ordered 4 more PIC chips. Oh well. Guess I have a head start on my next project, whatever that may be! :thumbsup:

I'm thinking I may make a document for the WIKI explaining what some of these perimeters should be set to initially to get sound. While yes, all the information is there in the manual, it's often difficult for a newbie to figure out some of these things when you're both learning a new operating system and trying to troubleshoot a build. Or maybe I'm just not as sharp as most the other tools in this shed. (There's some serious talent around here, so I don't feel too bad saying that.) Either case, I've done some very minor editing to some of the wiki, and perhaps if I contributed some more it would be a way to give back to the MIDIbox community.

thanks,

w

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I swear, I must be cursed. The gods have decided I should never play this thing. :purple:

It reacts to MIDI notes now, but has decided to only intermittently play them... Every third or tenth note I play on the keyboard I'll get a sound, and more often than not, it sticks. At first I thought I just needed to fix the split points/transpositions on all instruments on all SIDS. No change. On top of that, cores sometimes go offline now. I'll notice a core or three will have a * on it. I select that core and it might say (No MBNet Response) or it might decide that the core is back online.

And, it's now having a hard time conversing with MIOS. I pulled the cores out to inspect them to be sure I didn't bend a pin or something. After I take out a core and put it back in, MIOS will communicate ok, but only the first time or so. After I play a note (or let it stick until I hit the PLAY button twice to stop it) it decides it doesn't want to talk to MIOS anymore. Over the time of my troubleshooting, I've pulled the cores so many times using a chip extraction tool, that they are pretty scratched up on the sides.

Therefore, I'm ordering another set of PIC chips. I'll take a break from this until they come in, and then I'll start fresh again.

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Sorry, I didn't mention that I did change the channel... I tried it on channel 1,2, and 5. (of course adjusting within the MIOS keyboard as well.)

However. :whistle:

I think I found the problem.

The split points. Now, why the box, when first installed, would choose to have both the upper and lower split points set to D#3 and the transpose set to 63 I have no idea. I saw the split points, but thought since they were the same and in the middle of the keyboard that it meant the whole keyboard was activated, but I guess it meant that NONE of the keyboard was activated. :rolleyes: I just didn't notice the transpose value at all. However, none of those are good excuses I suppose.

I apologize for wasting your valuable time on me here.

TK, you've got a six pack coming your way for your trouble and my idiocy.

Hawkeye, you need a buy me a beer link.

So yes, it seems to be working now with SID 1! :smile:

I'm going back in my corner to deal with my wounded ego. Once I return, I'll test everything with the other cores, and get rocking.

Thanks so much for your time!

Walter

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Ok. Another day of testing. One of my wires from the CS cables had come off the pin, so I figured I would do a full look over of my soldering work again. I fixed the connection and did a serious look see. Everything seemed ok once I fixed that connection.

I redid the MIDImon test. This was using the MT4, and though the first time I tried it, it gave me some garbled graphics:

But after reinstalling the MIDImon app, everything looked fine. When I was transmitting on channel one, it received on channel one just like its supposed to:

I'm posting this pic in case that number on the bottom means something that gives a clue:

Just for completeness I also did the pin test which gave me the following output, which seems AOK:

[98885.763] Pin 'A0 ' of SID chip set to 5V, remaining digital pins set to 0V (exception: CS# set to 5V)

[98888.492] Pin 'A1 ' of SID chip set to 5V, remaining digital pins set to 0V (exception: CS# set to 5V)

[98890.118] Pin 'A2 ' of SID chip set to 5V, remaining digital pins set to 0V (exception: CS# set to 5V)

[98893.374] Pin 'A3 ' of SID chip set to 5V, remaining digital pins set to 0V (exception: CS# set to 5V)

[98895.818] Pin 'A4 ' of SID chip set to 5V, remaining digital pins set to 0V (exception: CS# set to 5V)

[98896.960] Pin 'RES#' of SID chip set to 5V, remaining digital pins set to 0V (exception: CS# set to 5V)

[98901.498] Pin 'D0 ' of SID chip set to 5V, remaining digital pins set to 0V (exception: CS# set to 5V)

[98903.184] Pin 'D1 ' of SID chip set to 5V, remaining digital pins set to 0V (exception: CS# set to 5V)

[98904.150] Pin 'D2 ' of SID chip set to 5V, remaining digital pins set to 0V (exception: CS# set to 5V)

[98907.838] Pin 'D3 ' of SID chip set to 5V, remaining digital pins set to 0V (exception: CS# set to 5V)

[98909.182] Pin 'D4 ' of SID chip set to 5V, remaining digital pins set to 0V (exception: CS# set to 5V)

[98910.110] Pin 'D5 ' of SID chip set to 5V, remaining digital pins set to 0V (exception: CS# set to 5V)

[98911.238] Pin 'D6 ' of SID chip set to 5V, remaining digital pins set to 0V (exception: CS# set to 5V)

[98912.206] Pin 'D7 ' of SID chip set to 5V, remaining digital pins set to 0V (exception: CS# set to 5V)

[98915.252] Pin 'CS#' of SID chip set to 0V, remaining digital pins set to 0V as well.

After all those tests, I reinstalled the MB6582 app just to see if it would magically start working!

It did not. :cry:

I'm still at a loss. I'm unsure how much more time I have today, but I think my next step will be to attempt to use the drum engine, which I haven't tried yet. If it works with one core installed, I'll reinstall the other cores and test further. With the odd way the PLAY button has been working, I'm curious if the box will be able to play self generating sequences… and if it will only work on SID 1. Maybe a clue will be revealed.

I'll get back to you when that test is done. I'm sure you're at the edges of your seats. :wink:

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Thanks so much for the reply Thorsten.

Alas, I've used an MT4, a Tascam US-122mkII (unsure if mkII is blacklisted as well, but it seemed to work like all the others), and MOTU Midi Timepiece. The MB-6582 reacted the same with all of them. I've tried on various channels as well using the ensemble menu.

The MIDImon, which I used with the MOTU, confirmed that it was receiving signals on the proper channel. This being said I'm happy to do another round of tests with the MIDImon, as I only used it with the MOTU and just did a basic confirmation that the note on/off commands were getting to the box and on the correct channel.

I'm wondering if the issue is somehow related to the PLAY button only working with SID 1?

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Ok, I took out all the SIDs but two, and all the PIC Cores but one as per Hawkeye's suggestion. I went through the entire MIDI Troubleshooting guide... Loopbacks were fine (though I ended up throwing out an 80's era MIDI cable) and all the voltage checks seemed to check out just fine again.

That was another 2.5 hours spent troubleshooting and my brain is fried. Anyone have any further hunches?

Here's a video of me attempting to get sound out of it via MIDI control*, just in case there is something obvious I'm doing wrong here (other than trying to shoot video with my old cellphone, which is never a good idea):

Thanks!

*as I said in an earlier post, I'll get sound out of it when I hit the PLAY button, which oddly only works for the first SID core, and not the others, when they are plugged in. The above video was made with only 2 SIDS and 1 core connected...

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Peter,

Of all people, you're the last that should feel the need to apologize, no matter how quick or slow you think you are replying. You've been such a help to me, even when I get excited and ask questions that are clearly already documented. I really wish you had one of those "buy me a beer" links...

I may go back and re-do my voltage checks today just to be sure everything checks out. From now on I'll be doing my further testing with one core and 2 SIDs. I'll tell you how it goes.

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Thanks wicked1. I just tried, and even after taking out the cores, changing core 01's id to 00, and reinstalling the mb6582 app... it acted the same. I then reinstalled MIOS, and reinstalled the mb6582 again, and still no change.

I really appreciate the suggestion though!

Any other ideas? It seems like a unique issue. I still feel like I'm doing something really stupid here, but I've rechecked and it seems I'm transmitting on correct channels... I tried with both the MIOS keyboard and an external MIDI controller.

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I posted this problem on another forum, but moved it here today. After another two hours this afternoon of reading documentation, searching the forum, and trying to find the solution, I'm sadly still at the same place I started. I hope you can help. I'm SO close to being able to play with this thing!

I have two very basic issues keeping me from SID glory. I feel like it might be I'm missing something I should do in the operating system, but I just can't seem to fix it.:

1. Notes triggered via MIDI not playing on any SID. I can get sound (only from SID 1) using "play" button. I've run the midi monitor app and the note in/out commands seem to be making it into the box. I have all four SIDs set to channel 1. I'm transmitting on channel 1. I've tried via my Logic setup and via the keyboard in MIOS Studio.
   
2. "PLAY" mode gets no sound from SIDs 2, 3, and 4. I've run the test tone app, and I do get a sound that way from the other cores, so it seems everything on the hardware end seems to be in order. However, when I set up the other SIDs with patches I get no sounds. This may be related to the first problem since I can't seem to get the box to react to MIDI notes. Does the PLAY button only work for SID 1? It would seem if I had other SID engine(s) selected it should play them, too. But I could be wrong here.
   
   

When I've hooked the LCD to the other cores, everything looks in order. I have retried installing the OS and the MB6582 app on all cores. All application installations seem to work just fine from MIOS studio, and I've been able to upload the preset patches via the SysEx tool. Due to that, it makes no sense to me that MIDI on/off messages aren't being played. Oy.

I have also tried meditation, prayer, and am considering human sacrifice to the gods. :frantics: However, before I go to that extreme, I thought I'd ask you here in the proper forum.

Thanks!

[installing 6582 hex file]

I can already tell this will be my prized jewel of synths... I'm stoked to be getting some sounds!

I've been working with it for the last 4 hours, and I'm still a little flummoxed.

I have two very basic issues that I've not been able to solve. I feel like it might be I'm missing something I should do in the operating system, but I just can't seem to fix the issues.:

1. Notes triggered via MIDI not playing on any SID. I can get sound (only from SID 1) using "play" button. I've run the midi monitor app and the note in/out commands are making it into the box. I have all four SIDs set to channel 1. I'm transmitting on channel 1. I've tried via my Logic setup and via the keyboard in MIOS Studio.
   
2. No sound from SIDs 2, 3, and 4. I've run the test tone app, and I do get a sound that way from the other cores, so it seems everything on the hardware end is in order. However, when I set up the other SIDs with patches I get no sounds. This may be related to the first problem since I can't seem to get the box to react to MIDI notes. Does the PLAY button only work for SID 1? It would seem if I had other SID engine(s) selected it should play them, too. But I could be wrong here.
   
   

Sorry to keep bothering you over my noob issues.

Thanks!

[installing 6582 hex file]

aHA!

I had neglected to put the jumpers back on J1 and J2 after testing the voltages when I was building the base PCB. I knew it had to be something simple like that.

It's making beautiful sound now!

I'm still having issues getting my MIDI note on/off messages to it, but I'm sure I just need to toy with it more.

Thanks SO MUCH! I'll post more on me blog when I get a minute...

w

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I'm still getting no sound. :sad:

Hooked it up to my studio. All connections are correct. I have 4 SIDs installed into the first two cores.

I selected a patch onto both cores from the presets that I had installed. Everything is communicating on the the same MIDI channel. My MIDI monitors show that transmission is happening correctly (is there a way to monitor midi signals on the MB6582?) I've tried a lot of different patches too...

Not a peep from it. :no:

I've also gone into "play" mode and not a sound there either.

I've been making some stupid mistakes, so I suppose I could be missing something huge and obvious here (again) but I'm stumped. Any ideas?

Thanks.

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I installed MIOS and the 6582 hex on all cores (admittedly after a few drinks at the pub)

The box is behaving much more nicely now and even loaded the presets without a problem. (With the exception that I unwittingly attempted to install them into the ensemble bank at first.)

It always starts up with all sids pointing to channel 16 regardless what I did in the last session. There must be a way to adjust this, right?

Still not getting a sound... but I'm admittedly at home in my kitchen using a battery powered mini (mono) marshall amp. A real test can't happen till I'm on a working system I suppose. This being said, I could hear some noise when I sent notes to the box... but just faint white noise when notes changed, regardless patch.

Getting closer, but still no cigar. I want that Cuban stogie, you dig??!!??

Crazy the next few days... maybe not able to really test till Sunday. :( However, I do feel progress has been made...

:)

[installing 6582 hex file]

Great. Thanks. I'll hopefully get to it tonight...

[installing 6582 hex file]

From "Initial Installation of Slave Cores"

1) Burn the MIOS Bootloader into the microcontroller if this hasn't been done yet. If your burning software allows to change the PIC ID header, use:

0000000000000001 for the first slave

0000000000000002 for the second slave

0000000000000003 for the third slave

Don't worry if you don't find an appr. entry field - you can change the ID later once MIOS has been installed.

2) Install the latest MIOS version with MIOS Studio

3) if the MIOS device ID hasn't been adapted during bootloader installation, you have to do this now. Download the "change_id" application at the MIOS Download section, and upload following .hex files with MIOS Studio:

device_id_01.hex for the first slave

device_id_02.hex for the second slave

device_id_03.hex for the third slave

4) Install the latest midibox_sid_v2 version with MIOS Studio.

IMPORTANT: a bidirectional MIDI connection is required to upload code to a slave. Normaly the MIDI Out port of your MIDIbox SID V2 is only connected to the master core. There are two possibilities to connect this to your MIDI interface:

a) temporary plug the slave PIC into the socket of the master core. Thats the most simple solution, especially because you are using a "known-working infrastructure" if you already uploaded code to the master PIC successfully

(my emphasis) b) change the MIDI wiring within your MIDIbox. It heavily depends on how your hardware looks like. E.g., on the MB-6582 board you will find some jumpers which allow you to change the MIDI Out port routing.

Ok... making sure I understand this... (FYI I've already successfully --I think-- installed the MB6582 onto the master core)

so, the bootloader comes pre installed into my PIC chips I got from SmashTV, therefore I dont' need to worry about step 1 or step 3.

on steps 2 and step 4, I install onto all cores by moving J11 for each core, correct?

(on step 4 I use the mb6502 hex instead of the midibox_sid_v2 hex)

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Good morning.

When I try to clone the cores, it finishes core 01 saying "Address: 00", then on core 02 and 03 it says "Address: 0D !!!!" Then it says "!!!!!!!! Clone Failed !!!!!!"

I double checked, and I do have a 1K resistor at R80.

I tried this with SIDs in cores 00 and 01,(core 1 and 2 depending on your numbering scheme) and without them in core 01 (core 2) as well.

Any ideas of where I can test/troubleshoot next?

Thanks!

[installing 6582 hex file]

cool. Thanks. Sorry I missed that in the manual...

[installing 6582 hex file]

I'm having some odd problems... still can't get a sound out of my mb6582. I'm still in the troubleshooting phase.

As opposed to going through my list of issues and questions, which I still want to research more before I annoy you further, I do want to pose this question:

Do I need to install the 6582 application individually for each of the four cores, moving the jumper at J11 for each installation?

Thanks

w

[ALBS Waldorf Knobs Bulk Order #1 2011]

I'm in for 20 blue/transparent

I didn't see a black opaque option, but if there was (or a blue) I would get 20 of those too.

Thanks!

[MIDIbox SID V2 Patches]

Does the MidiBox need to be in a special mode to receive the data? I'm sending via the SysEx tool to my box and it doesn't seem to be receiving it...

Thanks!

[Building the MB-6582 Control Surface - Photo Tutorial]

Hey Hawkeye,

In Step 14 you call for 4pcs M2.5 x 10mm screws (Reichelt SZK M2,5x10)... is there enough room in there to use 12mm screws? 10mm are hard to find around here without buying in bulk...

Thanks!

[EDIT] Actually, buying 100 is pretty darn cheap... so I'm just gonna do it.

[Building the MB-6582 Control Surface - Photo Tutorial]

Hmmmm. I suppose the only reason I'm shying away from soldering directly on the headers is my lack of experience w/heat shrink. We do have a heat gun in the basement, last time I checked. It would be cheaper... and I wouldn't have to mail order the heat shrink... as I can get that at a local store... tempting...

Decisions, decisions, decisions...

Thanks again for the help!!!!!

w

[Building the MB-6582 Control Surface - Photo Tutorial]

I like these sockets, for example, but you also need corresponding plugs with crimp pins, ofc :)

http://www2.mouser.c...UNWgEEmG64gM%3d

Bye,

Peter

If I use those parts on the control board, do you think there is room to use the non-right angle version of that (http://www.mouser.com/ProductDetail/TE-Connectivity-AMP/280373-1/?qs=NCegfZXRvjjzCEJiYYjYfiA5umXozxJqNairr85cg%252bI%3d) on the main PCB? I think I'd prefer to do that than solder directly on the header and use heat shrink...

The plugs that go with both parts are here: http://www.mouser.com/ProductDetail/TE-Connectivity/280361/?qs=pyJNMv4wmxfbeWN9ZX56LQ%3d%3d

[Building the MB-6582 Control Surface - Photo Tutorial]

Thanks!!!