jonjon Posted January 11, 2006 Report Posted January 11, 2006 Hello I think I will put my cuestion here.I´m thinkin about to buy a MOTU 828mkII soundcard. Inside the soundcard there is a dsp controlled mixer. Its possible to control this with the accompanying software, CueMix. Its also possible to control it with a Mackie HUI. Now to my question, what is the difference betwen a Mackie HUI and other regular midiboxes? Is it possible to control CueMix with a MBLC? Does MBLC have HUI emulation?/Jon"Currently, CueMix Console directly supports the Mackie Control Universal, Mackie HUI, and Baby HUI. The Radikal Technologies SAC-2.2 is supported via its HUI emulation mode, as are other 3rd-party control surface products that support HUI emulation." Quote
raphael Posted January 11, 2006 Report Posted January 11, 2006 Search the forum for "HUI". I think noone has done it so far, but as Thorsten mentioned in his introduction of the MBMM (http://www.midibox.org/forum/index.php?topic=4839.0) this piece of C code would be a good starting point.Raphael Quote
machinate Posted January 11, 2006 Report Posted January 11, 2006 Haven't people successfully emulated the mackie control universal? In that case why not just use that to control Cuemix instead? Quote
raphael Posted January 11, 2006 Report Posted January 11, 2006 Haven't people successfully emulated the mackie control universal? In that case why not just use that to control Cuemix instead?Oh... I read over that MC is also supported. So using the standard MBLC should work without problems. No need to port the HUI protocol... Quote
jonjon Posted January 11, 2006 Author Report Posted January 11, 2006 Haven't people successfully emulated the mackie control universal? In that case why not just use that to control Cuemix instead?I want to have a hardware to control the cuemix. In best case without the computer.What about MC, is it MotorControl you are thinking of. Is cuemix working with MotorControl? Quote
machinate Posted January 11, 2006 Report Posted January 11, 2006 It's "Mackie Control" or "Mackie Control Universal". It's rapidly becoming a standard for controlling all sorts of software. Quote
jonjon Posted January 11, 2006 Author Report Posted January 11, 2006 That cost money ;D I just wants 16 rotary enkoders for control. Quote
jonjon Posted January 11, 2006 Author Report Posted January 11, 2006 My thoughts about this is that if they write that MackieControl works, it´s because its special. Then "just a midicontroler" wont do the job. Or am I wrong? And the special thing was the Mackie HUI protocol. Quote
machinate Posted January 11, 2006 Report Posted January 11, 2006 Mackie Control isn't special... it's just slightly too expensive for what it does ;)http://members.aol.com/mhigrules/MCMap.htmAs you can see the 9 faders transmit pitchbend values on channels 1-9. Then just add a button transmitting A# 2 and one transmitting B2. I reckon you could even do this with the aging MidiBox Plus :) http://ucapps.de/midibox.htmlIf this *is* possible, then you could get a full pcb kit plus pic for around 25€... Is that cheap enough? Quote
jonjon Posted January 11, 2006 Author Report Posted January 11, 2006 So whats all the talk about the secret about Mackie HUI. It is a regular midicontroller. Is the MBLC doing the thing? Quote
machinate Posted January 11, 2006 Report Posted January 11, 2006 It's their intellectual property, that's all. And yes, Mackie Control emulation is indeed possible with loads of stuff, only the interface of the mackie is really good, so it's something that is worth replicating. Quote
jonjon Posted January 11, 2006 Author Report Posted January 11, 2006 So if the faders of the mackie HUI is what control the levels in cuemix, it´s just to send control messages to pitch weel for that channel? So what MOTU is saying is that regular midi controllers is´not going to work because its the wrong "message" is sent. But in a midibox you can take the right one so the MOTU 828mkII wont know it´s not a mackie HUI. The signal is not "crypted" or so. Quote
machinate Posted January 12, 2006 Report Posted January 12, 2006 you got it.. the only "protection" mackie has is that the information is not easily found... not even while googling ;) Quote
jonjon Posted January 12, 2006 Author Report Posted January 12, 2006 Hm okej..but you found the Mackie Control page that all the midi messages where monitored. So now we could build a Mackie HUI? Or is this allready done? I dont find any specifics for MBLC... Quote
Wisefire Posted January 12, 2006 Report Posted January 12, 2006 ok, im interested aswell.. controlling my 828mk2 with midibox/mackiecontrol.. hmm would that include motorfaders?? or would motorfaders not be possible with mackiecontrol? Quote
Jidis Posted January 12, 2006 Report Posted January 12, 2006 I want to have a hardware to control the cuemix. In best case without the computer.JonJon,This came up over the past 3 or 4 days in the Unicornnation hardware forum. The consensus was that the units can't receive, interpret, and direct the MIDI to the routing hardware without the software and drivers being involved, so it doesn't look too likely with no machine. I'm on a 424/2408mk3 here. With no computer, I can get basic conversion between the back panel jacks, and route a stereo pair to different destinations simultaneously, but nothing like cuemix with the full matrix, levels and pan.FWIW- Nuendo & MOTU had some bugs with ASIO direct monitoring, that I believe finally got sorted out. After seeing it work, I figured I might as well go with Nuendo's software routing at the lowest latency I can get, or just do analog cues from the tracking room. There were weird catches to using them together, like merging multiple lines at different levels to different outputs (a necessity). The Nuendo control of the routing is also a lot closer to true hardware, where you're hearing the same wet/dry mix from the busses during play and record, but you obviously have to keep the DSP load down for safety. Like most DAW apps, it also gives you the option to map just about anything (sends,etc.) to incoming events. Some of that cuemix ADM stuff was fixed, but it's still kind of funky. You want a real mess, you can run cuemix in the back. I did several sessions like that and had to keep re-enabling things and muting or I'd send people crazy slap back signals. ;DI have no idea why MOTU didn't put standard MIDI learn capabilities in there. I've requested it before, but it doesn't seem likely.-Take CareGeorge Quote
machinate Posted January 12, 2006 Report Posted January 12, 2006 Wisefire, yes it is possible to use motor faders with mackie control... of course Or maybe I didn't understand your question properly ? Quote
jonjon Posted January 12, 2006 Author Report Posted January 12, 2006 So the consensus of this thread is that you can use an MBLC (with some modification) with cuemix WITH a computer. The modifications would be that the fader sends are pitch weel control messages.Did I get you right then? Quote
machinate Posted January 12, 2006 Report Posted January 12, 2006 No. It should work with NO modifications, and WITHOUT a computer. Quote
jonjon Posted January 12, 2006 Author Report Posted January 12, 2006 Okey :D Perfekt. Has somebody even tried this? This i sperfekt...16 rotary encoders with ledrings on a MBLC core. A complete listening console. Quote
machinate Posted January 12, 2006 Report Posted January 12, 2006 ...but remember the bank buttons if you want to access more than 8 channels. Quote
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