Freaksomnia Posted April 1, 2006 Report Share Posted April 1, 2006 Hi guys i'm building a sid 6581 a simpel one and i alrrady have a problem with constructing the core, i put it together ( i orderd a pack with the parts an PCB's from mike in Germany..... i think i did everything rignt but i get a different reading when i start measuring the core, i get 7,5 V everywhere... i don't know what i did wrong, i checked the parts and now i don't understand.....i'm using a 9 V 600 mA walladapter.....now i have 3 parts left that might be worong placed.....i have 2 small withe keramic condesators i says .1J63 on top i think these are the 100 nF there are suppose to be 3 of them in the pach but there are only 2 ( these have to be put on the back of your pannel)but then i have another part very small it says 104 on the front it is smal and light brown, can someone tell me what it is ?The i have one more thing i might have done wrong i might have connected the BC337 the wrong way could that make my power go up ????Is the picture on the sheet of the core , is that form above or from below, because if it is from above i mounted it wrong.......I hope to get some answers soon so i can continu my project.....Thanks already....Geert Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moebius Posted April 2, 2006 Report Share Posted April 2, 2006 Hi,I'm making a wild guess about your power problem: You have put the regulator upside down.Moebius Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freaksomnia Posted April 2, 2006 Author Report Share Posted April 2, 2006 I don't think so but i can try i let you know, i can;t take a picture right noe from monday again, but i mounted it exacly like the picture, if thats ok i lookt up the specs and i thoinkit is ok like this. The regulator is placed with the written side to the closed side of the board ........??anyone else............ and my questions about the parts, i unpackt my sid module and foud out that the orderlist is different from the content of the kit???Well will see first lets turn around the regulator.Greating Geert Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freaksomnia Posted April 2, 2006 Author Report Share Posted April 2, 2006 i see now that the voltage mesuments go up when i use a stronger adapter (12 V)mabey the regulator is upsiddedown, ok first thing tomorrow....Greet Geert Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TK. Posted April 2, 2006 Report Share Posted April 2, 2006 Hi Geert,very good that you are measuring the voltages before stuffing the chips - otherwise you would have a dead PIC and SID now!i have 2 small withe keramic condesators i says .1J63 on top i think these are the100 nF there are suppose to be 3 of them in the pach but there are only 2 ( these have to be put on the back of your pannel)but then i have another part very small it says 104 on the front it is smal and light brown, can someone tell me what it is ?the 104 is a 100nF as well.The i have one more thing i might have done wrong i might have connected the BC337 the wrong way could that make my power go up?no, only wrongly mounted the voltage regulators could be the reasonBest Regards, Thorsten. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freaksomnia Posted April 2, 2006 Author Report Share Posted April 2, 2006 hell, i tryed to switch the regulator but the power is going up this way i now get like exacly 10V enerywhere.........I checked my walladapter, it gives of around 12 to 13V in stead of the 9V like it sould, mabey i'm measurinbg the wrong way, but switching around the regulator did not have the right effect.......I'm ging to make my DinX now thats more easy..........Magey you got some more idears???? couse i'm out.....Greets Geert Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freaksomnia Posted April 2, 2006 Author Report Share Posted April 2, 2006 when i use a stronger powersupply the voltage still go's up all over the board, it is quite stable now but 10V is way to mutch Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthernLightX Posted April 2, 2006 Report Share Posted April 2, 2006 Post a (closeup, high detail) picture of your board please, it's easier to see obvious mistakes that way. To me it sounds like a broken regulator. Your adapter could deliver more than the rated 9v if your mains power is also higher (could be 10%, so 12v instead of 9 is very high! cheapo powersupply perhaps?) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TK. Posted April 2, 2006 Report Share Posted April 2, 2006 this picture shows, how to measure the voltages: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freaksomnia Posted April 2, 2006 Author Report Share Posted April 2, 2006 ok guys i think i lokated the problem, the polarety from my other adapter ( a boss 9V 200mA) and now i get 5.07V everywhere, thats ok isn't it...????But on the site they said you did not have to calculate the polarety?Wel i think its ok so........ thank for the tip about the folty adapter i hope it is ok like this.........ill soon be able to tell if it works like this.......Thanks Geert...... ill place a picture tomorrow. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freaksomnia Posted April 2, 2006 Author Report Share Posted April 2, 2006 Ok i checked the voltages on the picture you placed TK but i dont get a 5V from the #25 pin fron the pic, i dont get it i do get 5 V at pin #26 strange ??????I'm checking it out........... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freaksomnia Posted April 2, 2006 Author Report Share Posted April 2, 2006 TK is the picture you placed withthe PIC installed because it comes from the mide troubleshoting quide ?????/Thanks Geert Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
illogik Posted April 2, 2006 Report Share Posted April 2, 2006 hi; if you build it with a bridge rectifier, it really doesn't matter what the polarity of your adapter is.i think that pin 25/26 only have 5 volts when the PIC is in the socket so if everything is fine exept these, maybe you can move on.check also your adapter with yur multimeter if your not sure about thatgood luck Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freaksomnia Posted April 2, 2006 Author Report Share Posted April 2, 2006 thanks illog, ichecked my other adapters, they give like 3V higher than it says onthe front , i get 15V from a 12V, and 12V form a 9V adapter....??Oh yeah about the polatery, i probebly connected the adapter in the wrong way sothe + to the - and the other way around. When i got the adapter that actualy gives 9 V the polarety was switched and it works like a charme, i'm going to finisch my DIN first then for the test with my core.TK are the voltages on #25 from the PIC also there when the PIC is not plugged in?Thanks Geert Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moebius Posted April 2, 2006 Report Share Posted April 2, 2006 thanks illog, ichecked my other adapters, they give like 3V higher than it says onthe front , i get 15V from a 12V, and 12V form a 9V adapter....??Actually non-regulated PSUs behave like this if not loaded.TK are the voltages on #25 from the PIC also there when the PIC is not plugged in?Yes.Moebius Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freaksomnia Posted April 2, 2006 Author Report Share Posted April 2, 2006 Yes.MoebiusWell moebius i'm a beginner at this and i don't want te sound wise ore something but i checked the scheet from the core...... and as i see it it is not possible that there must be power on pin #25 of the PIC because that pin is only connected to to the midi out and the MD pin from J11......i really don't know if i'm seeing this right ..... can some one confurm this for me cause i don't know what i'm doing apperently.......Thanks Geert Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moebius Posted April 2, 2006 Report Share Posted April 2, 2006 Your absolutely right! Sorry for that.M Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freaksomnia Posted April 2, 2006 Author Report Share Posted April 2, 2006 great than i think i can go ahead now..... right???? it still bothers me that the other adapters dont give me the right power because te systen sould regulate this.....Well lets give it a go//.......Thanks Geert Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freaksomnia Posted April 2, 2006 Author Report Share Posted April 2, 2006 yeah i finally got it, the stabel adapter gives me a nice 5 volt, but i still don't understand about the other adapters but oke we can contineu.....I'm getting an upload code yiha lets put my sid mudule together.....Thanks guys ill be back with more questions.....Greets Geert Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TK. Posted April 3, 2006 Report Share Posted April 3, 2006 but i still don't understand about the other adapters but oke we can contineu.....the reason for this issue would be really interesting, because I also have no explanation, why another adapter should lead to higher voltages behind the 7805. There could be a short at the bottom of the PCB, therefore it would be helpful if you could post a photo of the front- and bottom side of your board (you can send me the pictures, I will put them on the server)Best Regards, Thorsten. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stryd_one Posted April 3, 2006 Report Share Posted April 3, 2006 This is exactly why I added a digital camera to my toolkit on the wiki last night. It might not get as much use as your soldering iron but it's sure useful when troubleshooting gets tricky... And of course you can post images when you're finished, to show off ;) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthernLightX Posted April 3, 2006 Report Share Posted April 3, 2006 the reason for this issue would be really interesting, because I also have no explanation, why another adapter should lead to higher voltages behind the 7805. There could be a short at the bottom of the PCB, therefore it would be helpful if you could post a photo of the front- and bottom side of your board (you can send me the pictures, I will put them on the server)Best Regards, Thorsten.Hi TK,when testing prototype builds of my PSU I have also seen higher voltages behind 78xx regultators. The explanation I got from more knowlegeable (than me) people was that the 78xx needs a load before it will regulate properly. That may not be the case here since his core boards is acting as a load, but is it a big enough load without PIC running....?Cheers, Alex. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stryd_one Posted April 3, 2006 Report Share Posted April 3, 2006 the 78xx needs a load before it will regulate properly. That may not be the case here since his core boards is acting as a load, but is it a big enough load without PIC running....?I've heard this too (can't remember where)... You make a good point, but if there's an LCD on there, I'd say that would be sufficient load. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TK. Posted April 3, 2006 Report Share Posted April 3, 2006 Ah - thanks, now I also remember this effect. It should be documented at the MBHP pagesBest Regards, Thorsten. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freaksomnia Posted April 3, 2006 Author Report Share Posted April 3, 2006 ok guys igot a camera and now i can take the pictures so you all can confurm that i placed the parts right......?? right....ok i now use a 9v 200 mA adapter for my core TK will place the pictures i'm sending him after this........About the other adapters i still dont think i understand .... but if there's a load on the adapter i current should go down........Ok i have an other problem so ill keep it in this treat so someone new can see the varius problems i encounter and will encounter,,,,,Ok mij SID module is ready but measerments are not ok because the whole ground in powerd, not very good mabey i made an intercinnection at the BC547 so i will sent the pidtures of that PCB to TK aswell.........Oh ja if i have an unstabelised adapter suppose to be 12V 1A, my multimeter reads about 15V can i use this for powering my SIDmodule?Than i have one more question because i was thinking of using the PSU from my C64, can i measure the 9V AC comming out of the adapter? Couse i can find the 5V DC but not the 9V AC?Well thanks guys, pictures will be placed by TK, thanks by the way!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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