Chomsky Posted June 15, 2006 Report Share Posted June 15, 2006 Hello!In my midibox I want to install a part like this:I think it's called a modulation wheel or somthing like this. Can anybody tell me, where I can order this part? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stryd_one Posted June 15, 2006 Report Share Posted June 15, 2006 The one on the right is a modwheel the one on the left is pitch. They're just unusual knobs mounted vertically on a pot with a limited throw.If you get a 10k pot with a 90 degree throw, you can use a disc cut from thick plexiglas with a holesaw as the knob, and illuminate it with a LED, looks pretty cool.Check this out Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sinnsyk Posted June 15, 2006 Report Share Posted June 15, 2006 You could look for an old midi-keyboard and rip off this part... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chomsky Posted June 15, 2006 Author Report Share Posted June 15, 2006 The one on the right is a modwheel the one on the left is pitch. They're just unusual knobs mounted vertically on a pot with a limited throw.If you get a 10k pot with a 90 degree throw, you can use a disc cut from thick plexiglas with a holesaw as the knob, and illuminate it with a LED, looks pretty cool.Check this outMay be this is a considerable solution. But there is one problem with it: after pushing down or pushing up the pitchwheel it should snap back automatically to the middle postiton. So I wonder whether it is possible to constuct it to behave like this?You could look for an old midi-keyboard and rip off this part...This is a bad solution. First it is too expensive for this purpose and second I would need two old keyboards, because I need two pitchwheels. Isn't there any source who sells this parts? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stryd_one Posted June 15, 2006 Report Share Posted June 15, 2006 after pushing down or pushing up the pitchwheel it should snap back automatically to the middle postiton. So I wonder whether it is possible to constuct it to behave like this?That is usually done by mounting two springs or elastic bands to the bottom of the wheel, pulling in either direction.This is a bad solution. First it is too expensive for this purpose and second I would need two old keyboards, because I need two pitchwheels. Isn't there any source who sells this parts?Two pitchwheels is pretty unusual....What's that about? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chomsky Posted June 15, 2006 Author Report Share Posted June 15, 2006 That is usually done by mounting two springs or elastic bands to the bottom of the wheel, pulling in either direction.Uhu! Is there any tutorial in the net how to build this?Two pitchwheels is pretty unusual....What's that about?I want to build a Midibox for the Traktor-DJ-Studio. Now you can probably imagine for what I need those pitch-wheels: I want to control the pitch-bend-function of the decks with the pitch-wheels. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Screaming_Rabbit Posted June 15, 2006 Report Share Posted June 15, 2006 Uhu! Is there any tutorial in the net how to build this?... common... that might not be too hard. - Just be creative! Go to a hardware store, buy a few springs and play around with them... you'll for shure find a solution.Greets, Roger Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stryd_one Posted June 16, 2006 Report Share Posted June 16, 2006 There, a very ugly picture of how it's done. Very VERY ugly ;)uglywheel.JPG Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ranger930 Posted June 16, 2006 Report Share Posted June 16, 2006 Hi,you can find modwheels at www.doepfer.delook at spareparts !greetz ranger930 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chomsky Posted June 16, 2006 Author Report Share Posted June 16, 2006 Hi,you can find modwheels at www.doepfer.delook at spareparts !greetz ranger930Perfect! That is exactly what I need! Thank's a lot! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
audiocommander Posted June 16, 2006 Report Share Posted June 16, 2006 There, a very ugly picture: LMAO ;D ;DI L-O-V-E this drawing!!! ;DFirst it showed me how these things work and besides that I like it as composition in correlation with its title: very ugly wheel. that's great!! ;D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stryd_one Posted June 16, 2006 Report Share Posted June 16, 2006 That's what happens when you draw a picture in MS Paint quickly while the boss isn't looking ;D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tos Posted June 16, 2006 Report Share Posted June 16, 2006 A least the wheel aint freehanded. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Screaming_Rabbit Posted June 16, 2006 Report Share Posted June 16, 2006 There, a very ugly picture of how it's done. Very VERY ugly ;)... hehehe... it looks like PACMAN on a wire ;DGreets, Roger Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
audiocommander Posted June 17, 2006 Report Share Posted June 17, 2006 LOL :) ...PACMAN struggeling with death in an AIN/DOUT wire-mess ;D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stryd_one Posted June 17, 2006 Report Share Posted June 17, 2006 It's a screencap from "PACMAN IIX - Prison Break" ;) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sinnsyk Posted June 17, 2006 Report Share Posted June 17, 2006 I have a pitch-wheel on my keyboard too, an Oxygen 8 from M-Audio..but, when I do some pitching magic, it sounds awfull. The pitch changes not so smoothly, and when I assign pitch bend to one of the pots it will pitch-bend very well.Any others having problems with that?Do you think it's handy to have the pitch wheels snap back to their mid-position? What if u are pitchbending, it sounds kinda cool, and you want to adjust some other params before you go further with the pitch? They will snap back and poof the good sounding music is gone :-X Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stryd_one Posted June 17, 2006 Report Share Posted June 17, 2006 It's probably whatever synth you're using. If it is not smooth with the pitch wheel, but is fine with a normal knob, then it may be that the synth is expecting a 7 bit value.Pitchmod isn't really a synthesis parameter, so much as a realtime modulation source. The synthesis paramaters for pitch should be set at the oscillator tuning. That way, your sound is correct first, and then you can bend the pitch wheel, and it always snaps back to your desired sound when you let go. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sinnsyk Posted June 17, 2006 Report Share Posted June 17, 2006 I'm using Live 5When I move the pitchbend, it changes very fast at the first few mm of the wheel, and when I continue it changes slower. But that sounds awfull...Perhaps you can use 2 joysticks? I've got one from Conrad, and if u release them they snap back to their original point.If u have an old Playstation 2 controller, they have cool joysticks and they snap back, and above all, the joystick used are from ALPS.With the x movement you could have another cool param assigned to your mix. (http://www.galeria-kaufhof.de/images/1031/4/9/44292.jpg)So, 1 playstation controller (2 ALPS joysticks), they snap back, and have additional x movement too so that u can do something with that..If u have too much spare time, you could even re-use the controller for a cool live-performance, mixing with a playstation controller :oCIMG0077.JPG Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
audiocommander Posted June 17, 2006 Report Share Posted June 17, 2006 if you're using LIVE, you first had to assign your MIDI message to something.I don't know to what function you assigned the pitchBend, but it may be that you send 14-bit pitchwheel but receive (in Live) only 7bit (PitchWheel MSB/LSB)?Make sure that you send and receive the same message type with corresponding value numbers!Please see here:http://www.midibox.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=midi_specification(follow the links, take a look at the charts, esp. Channel Controllers and PitchWheelChange!)the links from midi.org give a quick and exact overview, the links from borg.com provide some background infos and programming examples...Michael ;) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tos Posted June 17, 2006 Report Share Posted June 17, 2006 PSX joysticks, how I haven't remembered of that one before.... :)What is the value of their resistance, how hard is to fit them onto a frontpannel? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
audiocommander Posted June 17, 2006 Report Share Posted June 17, 2006 the mentioned joysticks from conrad should be in fact two linear 10k pots, perfectly suited for MBHP (please check again before buying!):) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tos Posted June 17, 2006 Report Share Posted June 17, 2006 Aren't that a bit expensive? Can't we just recycle the existing ones(from PSX controller)? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sinnsyk Posted June 18, 2006 Report Share Posted June 18, 2006 At conrad.nl the joysticks I've got were only 1,99 euro... so I think a playstation controller would be more expensive. But, with a playstation controller, you've got the cool rubber-like knobs that feel fantastic, so if you happen to have a controller, take that one :PI don't know what their resistance is , I don't have a multimeter (yet).Conrad delivers in every country so you should try it, they are not that expensive :P Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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