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I really wish for a sidechain compressor for compressing the bass synths, triggered by the kick/whatever (alternate from any compression of the drums themselves)

Some ideas for common FX:

chorus/phaser for snares and other highs

chorus for kick

overdrive for different kinda stuff

Perhaps a routing matrix (like on the MB SID?) would be a good idea, with the routing destinations just being "general outputs" into which you could plug all kinds of FX boards. Like a modular drum machine.

Perhaps the same could with routing sources: the routing matrix could have inputs into which you could plug voiceboards. Want 20 kick drums? no problem.. Want just Kick+snare+HH? no problem.. :D

This routing matrix stuff would have to be realized in a way which allows x voices and y sends, where x and y are any number from 1 to 1000

Actually you are correct, the LM31600 is two CA3094's on one chip.

The CA3094 is a CA3080 followed by a darlington buffer, I don't know what I was thinking.

What were you thinking??  ;D

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ive my 4 voice808 (bd,sn,ma,clp)now finished

no one part was hard to find for me, i ve put the same transistor everywhere (npn,pnp ofcourse)

and its sound good.

ive just notice that all the hallucinogen mods

are not working perfectly , because some pots dont work on

100% some one are only active during 15% of the rotation.

would be maby great to redrawn all the schematics

and make it tcheked by some one That know well

The "TWIN-T filter :)

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What transistors do you use, the originals 2SA733, 2SC945 or the

Halucinogen replacements (BC640, BC639)?

And what Op Amps?

Thanks

hi sebo

i used bc639/640 ((also for noise part)) and tl072 for opamp

everything work well

but i want to remake one my self and drawn everything

and put all the pot on the board with voice because its so boring to solder all wire

between pot and ci.  >:(   more than 200wire  :o :'(              (""i hate do that""))

i gona make one board with all voice on it

And a second board with seq,ctrl,...

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So, guys, what are your favourite FX for drums?

Let's list some....

Some analog ones:

I think autofilters are really nice!

Very useful for breakbeats.

Chorus for the kick...

Of course compressors, tubes...

Noise gates and ducking comps...

Some filters that are easy to realize digitally:

Bit crushers!

Crappy compressors that make your sound really gritty

Waveshapers

Cheapo digital filters for that lo-fi sound

Delays (needs ram :( )

Crappy sounding digital chorus

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Hmmm... Don't know about the autofilter (I'll leave the motion in my breaks to my programming ;) )  and the noisegates and compression are more of a mix thing than an instrument thing (VCAs take care of it there), but chorus and bitcrushers and waveshapers and overdrive and distortion and saturation of any kind and combfilters and ringmod and vocoders and other FM and AM toys are all good for changing the timbre of the instruments.... and a drum machine without big long dubby delay strapped to it is hardly worth looking at! hehehehe

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Ran out of stuff to do until the last few parts arrive tonight, so I decided to break in the new office camera (Cannon EOS digital!  Woo Hoo!) and get some better pictures of what my workbench looks like.  Took about 20 pics, but flickr will only let me upload 6 at a time, so here you can see come detail shots of the PCB's

http://www.flickr.com/photos/66658750@N00/

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cool pcb!!

how much do u pay for one board ???

The barebones board was something like 120$, and if the estimates for the final PCB from 4pcb.com are correct each PCB will be < $100 each in quantities of 10.

Wow... that's a lot of pots...

Got three more trays off camera ;)  I'll prolly order another 3 trays too ;D  It's a shame they don't have 10k Linear available, the mounting legs are smaller than your normal pot and are spaced to snap into regular stripboard, they would make nice parts for people using AIN boards for their midiboxes.

Nice!! What eos did you buy? I got an 30d myself

I wish it were mine, I'm borrowing it from the office (nice perk of being a techy  :))  It's a Rebel XT digital, with the 400$ lense.  Good stuff!

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Hey Moogah, Great Job !!!!

Do the sequencer will output MIDI??

And will have velocity or only accent?

Sebo

Yes, MIDI-wise the SEQ works just like the regular app.  Internally there will only be accent tho, there just isn't enough PCB space to fit the AOUT circuitry. 

How big are those PCB's? It looks to me like there's a whole lot of real estate going begging on that thing!

I guess that explains the price??

11"x16" (not sure what that is in metric ???)  And if it looks like there is space to spare on the board I assure you it is an illusion! ;D  It was a bit of trouble to cram it all in as it was, notice however that along one side there is space for 6 pots and 3 switches to control the fx board or for DIY mods to the circuits.

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First off, can I say that I very much do not want to rain on your parade! I think the work you've done so far with the 808 clone is excellent , particularly for someone with little experience of electronics. I do however have a few issues that i'd like to mention.

I can see where you're coming from with regards to the space issue, but in my view the boards are much taller than they really need to be. The reason for this is obvious, but I'd prefer to have just a single board for just the voices, and a seperate board holding the sequencer and MIDI interface. That way, you avoid the wasted space, and the boards can be much more compact.

Also, I think that the lack of velocity for the accent is a severe handicap. For my clone, I plan to have both the accent, and certain parameters of the voices under velocity control. For example, the snare will not only get louder, but the snappy level will increase as the velocity increases. Is it possible using your version of the seq to add the jumpers to permit the use of an external AOUT board??

Other than that, i'd say your board is a fine piece of work (even with the components on the wrong side ;)

EDIT: I thought it prudent to mention that although the boards are really really big in my view (about the size of a real 808 actually!), a price point of around $100 puts it in the region of the 9090 clone boards, so that's not bad at all. If you could gather enough interest to get a better price break it would be a tempting propsition all-round.

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In my view the board looks like it is supposed to be.

1 big size that fits niceley in a housing without getting all that messy with wires and still have the hands on for control.

If you are cloning you are cloning. He is not creating a new drum machine.

So moogah i want that thing as it is now do not change much i like it.

But jaicen gots a point about those jumpers. This way you give a bit of freedom to those whom wish to tweak.

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Exactly! I think I suffer from the 'add as many features as possible' mind-set.

In actual fact, Moogah's clone is about 6" shorter than an original 808  which tops out at 20"x11"!

As I added in my edit, I actually think that if the price could be brought down enough, it would be a very good option for people that want a real 808 clone with the minimum of fuss. I don't actually want all the voices, so for me it's overkill, but the all in one PCB definitely has its advantages.

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Also, I think that the lack of velocity for the accent is a severe handicap. For my clone, I plan to have both the accent, and certain parameters of the voices under velocity control. For example, the snare will not only get louder, but the snappy level will increase as the velocity increases. Is it possible using your version of the seq to add the jumpers to permit the use of an external AOUT board??

I would generally agree about the loss of velocity control, and I had to think long and hard about it before deciding to stick with the original design as opposed to Sebastians modification that included the AOUT for velocity.  What made the deal for me was two things:  I'm really a purist when it comes to these classic machines (808, 909, 303, SH series, Mini, etc), when I listen to the tracks that feature them I'm always hard pressed to say that they are missing *anything*.  Second, I knew from the start that I wanted to go out of my way to make this very mod friendly, as such keep in mind that the onboard core (along with all other midibox circuits) are *identical* to their SmashTV counterparts, and therefore you've got all the same options open to you.  This way I can procede with my layout and still allow people alot of latitude to get their favorite features included.  There will certianly be plenty of space available for extra PCB's and wiring  ;D

Actually, now that I say that I think there is a jumper or two missing on the core.. which will be fixed on the final version  :)  I know I included the jumpers for the AOUT module and the USB module.

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Hehe, keep the gear-porn coming!!

I think you've probably got the 808 clone spot on to be honest. Since you're making a clone, it makes sense to have accent as a trigger. If like me, you're making something to fit your own needs, then the accent CV is important as it allows for a more expressive box.

The way I see it, is that if I can't afford a real 808, I may as well build something that fulfils my needs better than the original, for example, by having MIDI triggers and Tempo control, and Velocity for each voice.

I had also planned to use a classic Ring-mod circuit for a couple of the voices, but I'm not sure wether i'll bother adding that internally or externally yet. I've designed an AD633 ring mod which is very nice, but not as gritty as a real transformer-diode model. 

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