TK. Posted June 22, 2003 Report Share Posted June 22, 2003 MIOS V1.3 is now available for download, it comes with some new features for the near future:it's now possible to integrate an own LCD driver which is not natively supported by MIOS. See also the docs under Concepts->MBHP->LCDup to 8 BankSticks can now be addressed over the same IIC bus by using the MIOS_BANKSTICK_CtrlSet function. Note that this feature doesn't work with the EEPROM M24256 from ST, but only with Microchip EEPROM 24LC256. See also the docs under Concepts->MBHP->BankStickthe MIOS_HLP_Dec2BCD function can be used to convert a 16 bit decimal value to BCD (for example to send the digits of a decimal number over the MIDI interface or to display the numbers on a LED digit display)MIOS_LCD_PrintBCD4 and MIOS_LCD_PrintBCD5 can be used to print 16 bit values in decimal formthe MIOS_MF_StartupSpeedSet allows to give the motorfaders a "kick" when they are starting to move (can be tried with the mf_calibration application. The MIDIbox LC application now includes a calibration menu)the speed modes of the encoder driver have been rewritten, see the MIOS_ENC_SpeedSet description for further details. The "enc_speed_v1_3" application allows to test the various settings.Best Regards, Thorsten. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrMusicman Posted June 22, 2003 Report Share Posted June 22, 2003 Hey ThorstenNice work, speedy ;) ;DI am mounting my pcbboard for my LC clone and at the same time taking some picture,that I hope can be used for a "How to make a LC clone"BTW can a bankstik be used in the LC clone for selecting button, fader and led setup?And does 2. layer support settings for fader. (use 1 fader in 2. layer as master fader)See you out there.Kent Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mF_freak Posted June 22, 2003 Report Share Posted June 22, 2003 I love to see ucapps updates ;DI wish i could be at home testing and installing everything... but im on a vacation...Anyway, the encoder speed settings function must be great for the use of GPC !And the MIOS_MF_StartupSpeedSet... Can't wait to test the new features...Thanks for your neverending support for the community T.K Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TK. Posted June 23, 2003 Author Report Share Posted June 23, 2003 Hi Kent,good ideas :) I will integrate the BankStick solution and the possibility to move the master fader in a second layer.Sly: yep - the speed option works nice :) The SID Control surface already uses it; with MIOS_ENC_SPEED_FAST and divider parameter 1 it is possible to increase a 7-bit value with a half revolution of the encoder - when it is turned fast. When it is turned slow you still will get 48 increments for this half revolution. Higher dividers are usefull for values with a higher resolution - this is demonstrated in the enc_speed example.Best Regards, Thorsten. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrMusicman Posted June 23, 2003 Report Share Posted June 23, 2003 Hey ThorstenThanks for using the ideas ;DHope you have time to do other than making new code constant.See you.Kent Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
d2k Posted June 23, 2003 Report Share Posted June 23, 2003 'cuse my ignorance but, what is all this encoder rate settings actually do? as in a 'real-world' situation...why would they be great for gpc mode as Sly said?I havnt used any encoders yet, so no doubt it'll all start to click when i get them runnin...Also, I've notcied that v1.3 of the LC emu has extra code for this GPC function. I thought the layer function is just another name for gpc, but that code is still there too??? I dont geddit, is it just like a 3rd layer then?Is there any info on the layer/GPC functions on the site anywhere?ConfusedDan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TK. Posted June 23, 2003 Author Report Share Posted June 23, 2003 The GPC mode is my private pleasure, very limited, reduced to my own needs and therefore not documented. However, it could be improved in the future. It could also be completly changed...Encoders: values will be incremented faster when you turn the encoder faster. It's the same effect like known from a computer mouse. Sometimes also called "progressive mode"Sorry for the open questions reg. MIDIbox LC --- everything will be documented as soon as the application is complete, and this can still take a while...Best Regards, Thorsten. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
d2k Posted June 23, 2003 Report Share Posted June 23, 2003 Hey TThanks for clearing that up - i'm sure it'll all become clear when the LC is made and i'm free to sysex at will for testing etc :) Just my eagerness and also the fact that I just drilled out the LC panel made me get in a pickle worrying about including extra buttons and such for all this GPC/layer stuff :)You dont need to apologise for nefin mate - I just thought the LC was complete already (hence already upto v1.3), surely u cant have even more feature planned??? ;DPeace... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mF_freak Posted June 23, 2003 Report Share Posted June 23, 2003 hi dan,you will not need extra buttons for GPC. Its only a button that you can select via shift. And again another button to go back to LC mode. So you may add this function to the second layer of LC ;)GPC is only for the encoders, but you have the encoders allready on your LC panel... So you really dont have to add anything on your panel.best,Sly Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stryd_one Posted June 23, 2003 Report Share Posted June 23, 2003 Sorry for the open questions reg. MIDIbox LC --- everything will be documented as soon as the application is complete, and this can still take a while...Geez Thorsten! Even though we all joke about it, you are NOT super-human! ;)With all the work you do around here for all of us, your constant giving and giving.... to hear you apologise to us, seems.... kinda backwards! If anything, we should be apologising for bugging you with all these questions ;) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Flownezz Posted June 23, 2003 Report Share Posted June 23, 2003 YAY!!;D New MIOS version for my new MBLC :D(Well, it's half way there :D) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sephult Posted June 24, 2003 Report Share Posted June 24, 2003 You Said:# the MIOS_HLP_Dec2BCD function can be used to convert a 16 bit decimal value to BCD (for example to send the digits of a decimal number over the MIDI interface or to display the numbers on a LED digit display) Could you explain in more depth?I am needing to convert some pulses through counters to a 7 segment for an actuator, and I am wondering if using the 18f might be a good way to do this.Also, could this mean that selected knobs could show values through 7 segment along with LCD?Thanks again Thorsten!like always-Sephult Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TK. Posted June 24, 2003 Author Report Share Posted June 24, 2003 If the description of MIOS_HLP_Dec2BCD doesn't help (see Concepts->MIOS->Functions), please wait for the example application.Yes, this function helps to display values on LED digits.Best Regards, Thorsten. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xanboroon Posted June 24, 2003 Report Share Posted June 24, 2003 Hi TK,So if we now have functions in the MIOS to directly interface 7 segments, can we imagine to replace the LED rings around encoders by, for instance, 2x small 7 segments displays ?I ask the questions, because I would like to avoid to drill 176 holes for my SID control surface but I want to keep information about actual value of the encoders :-)ThanksXan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pilo Posted June 24, 2003 Report Share Posted June 24, 2003 you can also replace ledring with ledbar = bargraph, yiu have to make just a "big" hole... or, as I plan to do it, you make a big circular hole, and in it you put encoder + leds (on a PCB) and put something on it... I will do it and post pic! ;) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stryd_one Posted June 24, 2003 Report Share Posted June 24, 2003 Both those last two posts sound like great ideas, I look forward to scoping those pic's later :)/edit I mean Pic's as in pictures, not PIC's as in PIC chips... heh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TK. Posted June 24, 2003 Author Report Share Posted June 24, 2003 Just some comments to prevent the scare that LED rings or a replacement is required: my own surface is not stuffed with LED rings. The values are displayed on LCD instead. Maybe I should left some words to the workflow before you start to create your panel:when I press the OSC Select button. The SID CS jumps to the OSC menu immediately. If the OSC menu was already active, the cursor stays at the same position, otherwise the cursor jumps to the first menu item. The OSC number will be incremented, but also mixed OSC combinations can be selected. There are 6 button states for 6 different oscillator combinationsthe behaviour of the OSC Ctrl button is similar, but it has only three states: Envelope, Misc and Assign Layer. Every time I press this button the LCD changes to a menu view so that the 5 encoders are matching with the 5 menu items.using the OSC Select or OSC Ctrl button is also important if you want to change a parameter which is not assigned to any rotary encoder or functional button - just press the OSC/Ctrl button for a quick change into the OSC menu and select the menu item with the rotary encoder beside of the LCDwhen an encoder is moved, the menu page changes quickly to the same view like abovethis means: by using the OSC Ctrl button you can make the values visible on the LCD, and by using the OSC button you can select the 6 oscillator combinations (if more than one is selected at the same time, the values of the first oscillator will be displayed). Also by moving the rotary encoder, the values will be visible.Btw.: because of this LCD<->Button<->Encoder interaction, a 2x20 LCD is absolutely recommented. Ok, now some words to LED rings: they are nice to have, but in my oppinion they won't give you much more. Due to the (perfect ;-)) interaction with the menu interface, I'm more concentrated on the LCD and (especially) on the sound than on my fingers which are tweaking the knobs and selecting the functions. But don't forget the LEDs next to the buttons - they are important for an ergonomic handling.LED bars: a good replacement for LED rings, maybe even more ergonomic but not requiredLED digits: nice to have but not really important. Please note that you need 3*14 = 42 digits to display the decimal values of 14 encoders. But only two additional DOUTX4 modules can be connected, and every DOUTX4 module can only be stuffed with 12 digits maximum (due to the multiplexing method).Best Regards, Thorsten. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrMusicman Posted June 25, 2003 Report Share Posted June 25, 2003 Hey ThorstenAbout the idea with (master)fader in 2. layer.I think it will be nice if the MIDI message for fader in 2. layer, are freely assign,ak. all fader send normal "mc" commands in 1. layer, in 2. layer there may be 1 fader for "mc" masterfader and 7 fader using MIDI control message.This way I (and other :)) can control the master fader and 7 master send fader with 2. layer.See you out hereKent Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xanboroon Posted June 25, 2003 Report Share Posted June 25, 2003 TK, Thanks for the explanation...This "automatic change of view" when an encoder is moved is very handy... Really nice...So, I think I will go for the Lazy option: No LED ring, No 7 segments, Just the LCD... That means less holes to drill ;D, but also less flashy lights on the CS.. ;-) ...Xan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pilo Posted June 25, 2003 Report Share Posted June 25, 2003 Hey Thorsten, for driving 7segment, can't we use an interface made with 74sn7447 (or 7448 )? It will use less DOUT pin... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steven_C Posted July 3, 2003 Report Share Posted July 3, 2003 but also less flashy lights on the CS.. ... Hey, you can decorate your midibox with as many flashing LED's as you want! Just pretend that they are doing something important! become popular with your friends! ;D ;) Be cool like Michael J Fox and the Dellorean in 'back 2 the future' or Jackie Chan's Cordia in 'Cannonball Run' (Lots of LED's, and mjf's flux capacitor) ;D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pilo Posted July 3, 2003 Report Share Posted July 3, 2003 mmm yes Midibox tunning 8) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TK. Posted July 4, 2003 Author Report Share Posted July 4, 2003 Hi Pilo,yes, with a 74HC47 and some modifications in the application specific handler up to 24 digits could be driven by one DOUTX4 module - good idea!Best Regards, Thorsten. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stryd_one Posted July 4, 2003 Report Share Posted July 4, 2003 up to 24 digits could be driven by one DOUTX4 module Whoa cool! :DI could really use this feature, I look forward to seeing it... If you need any help, let me know :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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