narf Posted January 21, 2008 Report Share Posted January 21, 2008 Hi,I just ran into this new SID hardware called hypersid ( Http://www.hypersynth.com/hypersid.html )over at the KVR Audio forums. It uses a vsti to provide full midi control of the unit... interesting. Even more interesting, though, is the fact that it's classified as a DIY project but they actually sell the units (I think without the sid chip) for $300.Does anybody have any additional knowledge of how hypersid compares to MIDIbox SID in sound and programming department? (other differences such as interface, expadibility, etc. are pretty much given) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TK. Posted January 22, 2008 Report Share Posted January 22, 2008 It remembers me on HardSID, but there is only one SID, the ready-built hardware is more expensive. Compared to MBSID you will mainly miss the polyphony, dedicated sound engines, modulation capabilities, wavetables, arpeggiators, live-sequencers, etc... etc...From the feature list:- 3 OSC per key (Monophonic)- 1 OSC per key (3 Voice polyphonic)- 4 Waveforms per OSC Tri , Saw ,Noise, Pulse (combinatorial)- OSC transpose range +36 to -36 Semitone- OSC cent range -50 to +50 Cent- OSC ring modulation- 3 Amp Envelope ADSR- Multimode analog filter 12dB/Octave HP , LP , BP and (combinatorial)these are the SID internal functions, you will find them on any SID based synth- 1 LFO Part with sync , retrig and invert capability- 1 Step LFO Part with sync , retrig and invert capabilityOnly two LFOs?- 2 General purpose envelope generator with invert capabilityInteresting, 2 ENVs- Individual routing for each modulation sourceI see 4 modulation sources- 88 Parameter for controlling overall synthesizer (automation recordable)Fits nice into the CC range- Flexible preset manager with save and load functionNatively supported by the VST host- Built in 64 categorized Factory preset .Nice starting point- Clean sound without any Self oscillating in most of the PresetsMeans: the filter is not self-oscillating.- Automatic real time synchronization between software and hardwareHow about an automatic real time synchronisation between human and hardware?- Independent MIDI out path from hostAs workaround for PC based Logic Audio- Very low CPU usageThats the killer argument today!Sorry, couldn't resist ;)Just compare with the MBSID feature list, and consider that HyperSID is based on exactly the same hardware as MBSID V1! So, there is even no cost advantage. And we have a VST plugin as well: http://www.midibox.org/forum/index.php/topic,5116.0.html, so where is the innovation?Best Regards, Thorsten. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moogah Posted January 22, 2008 Report Share Posted January 22, 2008 ...Best post I've read in a few weeks ;D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nILS Posted January 22, 2008 Report Share Posted January 22, 2008 mbSid:1, HyperSID: 0 ;D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
narf Posted January 22, 2008 Author Report Share Posted January 22, 2008 sounds good.. hehe low cpu usage! wack Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wilba Posted January 22, 2008 Report Share Posted January 22, 2008 C128... I tried to save you... but it was too late :'( mbSid:1, HyperSID: -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smithy Posted January 22, 2008 Report Share Posted January 22, 2008 C128... I tried to save you... but it was too late :'( mbSid:1, HyperSID: -1Oooooo, those 128's are big bastards arent they! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yatagarasu Posted January 22, 2008 Report Share Posted January 22, 2008 MBSID trumps ALL. With V2 playing back psid, it is absolutely cutting edge! Midibox - I've never seen so much detail in DIY hard, firm and software, and I don't think I will. This makes me happily and willingly devote much of my life to MB. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smithy Posted January 22, 2008 Report Share Posted January 22, 2008 MBSID trumps ALL. With V2 playing back psid, it is absolutely cutting edge! Midibox - I've never seen so much detail in DIY hard, firm and software, and I don't think I will. This makes me happily and willingly devote much of my life to MB. Agreed, its a very complex synth indeed.I wonder whats in line for V3? ;)Maybe TK will add a SEQ, for more convenient programming of the drums & bassline mode, sort of like the MB-808!Hehe. :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nu-Audio-Science Posted January 23, 2008 Report Share Posted January 23, 2008 Come on guys lets give these guys a breakThey have built the plugin in Synthmaker and i am a beta tester and moderator of the forum for that packageThey havent robbed any of TKs designThey where going to contact Wilba to see if he has any spare SIDs left but they are actually too scared now cause they think they have pissed you guys offThey are really really great guys i can confirm that and im looking forward to having a Hyper working with my MIDIbox SIDs soon and very shortly after that two Wilbabeasts tooPS they showed me this thread when i pointed them at MIDIbox and i am a little gutted that this is the first thing they have seen of our community hereThey never had any intentions of stepping on anyones toes and to be perfectly honest we are all very proud of them over at the Synthmaker communityThe plugin is freeThe PCB design can be downloaded freeThe firmare for the pic can be downloaded for freeBut they have kept the option to build some units and sell them commercially for what i would say is a very fair price in realityNAS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wilba Posted January 23, 2008 Report Share Posted January 23, 2008 I'm not pissed off! I was just making a joke... (I do not like Commodores getting destroyed for SIDs which are now reasonably obtainable). I'm still waiting for them to contact me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bugfight Posted January 23, 2008 Report Share Posted January 23, 2008 ... but they are actually too scared now cause they think they have pissed you guys off...is anybody pissed off?i can't see it... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nu-Audio-Science Posted January 23, 2008 Report Share Posted January 23, 2008 I didn't say you were pissed offI said these guys THINK THATI will get them to contact you WilbaAnd of course i know its all just a bit of funAny new DIY synth is cool we all know thatNAS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bugfight Posted January 23, 2008 Report Share Posted January 23, 2008 ...Any new DIY synth is cool we all know that...especially ecobox Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sineSurfer Posted January 23, 2008 Report Share Posted January 23, 2008 ...They have built the plugin in Synthmaker...no multi-platform plugin or app to edit patches? :(less attractive.Instead of seeing people as pissed off, you can see that we are being pampered by TK, and midiBox rises the bar really high for any DIY effort out there ;) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TK. Posted January 23, 2008 Report Share Posted January 23, 2008 NAS: would anybody be "pissed off" if I would build a CC mapping function into MBSID, which allows to control it from the HyperSID plug-in?Or is it licensed for exclusive use with the HyperSID hardware only?Can you provide a link to the forum article?Best Regards, Thorsten. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nu-Audio-Science Posted January 24, 2008 Report Share Posted January 24, 2008 What forum article ?I never mentioned a forum article ?Email em and ask i dobt very much they would be pissed off if you did that TKNAS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TK. Posted January 24, 2008 Report Share Posted January 24, 2008 Hi NAS,What forum article ?I never mentioned a forum article ?It was my assumption as you wrote this:They have built the plugin in Synthmaker and i am a beta tester and moderator of the forum for that packageI've following proposal:- I would grant permission to use the MIOS bootloader for their project. This would allow everybody to upload the original HyperSID firmware into a MIDIbox via MIDI, but it would also be an advantage for people who built the original HyperSID hardware (no PIC programmer required for updates)- I would give them the routine which allows to access MBHP_SIDThis would increase the number of potential users for the Plug-In dramatically.In return I would like to know the CC implementation, so that I'm able to integrate a compatibility mode into the MBSID firmware without re-engineering the plug-inBest Regards, Thorsten. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bugfight Posted January 24, 2008 Report Share Posted January 24, 2008 especially ecoboxwhat is ecobox you asked?http://homepage.ntlworld.com/keith.williamson/ecobox/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nu-Audio-Science Posted January 24, 2008 Report Share Posted January 24, 2008 TK You are one of the coolest dudes around my manSo glad to be part of your community :)NAS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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