<gripe> It probably wouldn't do you any good anyway. There aren't really any decent 8x8 devices left :( They're all USB, which is no good especially for 8x8, even if that is ignored, theres only two with Vista or x64 support: the MOTU which is notorious for poor windoze support and I do not recommend after owning them since forever; and the roland um880, which does port-to-port routing/patching but not filtering or specific channel routing, like the motu does. If you want 16x16 like I do, it's motu on mac or nothing. If you don't want vista or more importantly x64 support then there are a few options but really they're all crap. Basically we're screwed. What we need is a scalable networkable 8x8 (16x16, 24x24...) interface that uses either firewire or preferably a proprietry PCIe card. But it seems that in this age of digital audio where we have hit the limits of the current technologies, all the focus has shifted to new audio tech, and serious midi users have been forgotten. It's exacerbated by the lack of market demand - Pro studios don't really care because their customers are unaware of the failures in USB and often use macs anyway, small studios don't care because their needs are not so demanding, and the hardcore users like us get lift drifting.... I'm holding onto my cash waiting for something decent... </gripe>