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I agree with Use-Audio regarding the Pinout. :D That is just what I checked on my own. The Plugiator power and MIDI connector board have an extra condensator though. MIDI In an MIDI Thru connexion are already available from the manual, what you miss is just the PinOut. I can check it for you but the best would be Use-Audio information ... From what I checked inside the Plugiator, there is nothing more than 5 pin MIDI connectors necessary.

Actually, the LightWave is maybe the most comlex in term of number of control elements. But basically its structure is quite similar to the structure of the other old-school inspired synths (Minimax, Pro12, and Prodyssey): a set of sound sources (osc + noise) mixed altogether in a filter (2 for the LightWave) and getting to an amplifier section (with the addition of a panning management for the LightWave). So the LightWave is the most complex regarding these figures but sound more "digital" than the others. Also the mod matrix is the most flexible on the LightWave though the Prodyssey also has nice extra (non dedicated enveloppe, S&H ...) and the Pro 12 one is also great. The Minimax has an extra oscillator but no LFO so you have to sacrify the third oscillator in case you need an LFO. So there are to directions possible now: - setting up huge and maximized controller providing the max of what all of them provide. Something like this: http://www.synth-project.de/Gallery/Seiten/Pure-MCone.html#16 - setting up something more condesnsed with an oscillator/mix/filter/VCA + additionnal mod contoller (EG + lfo) with a mean to switch between the different instance of each of the elements provided (I mean, a switch between the different oscillator for example with only one oscillator element set available like what the Novation X-Station provide). A first rough idea bellow:

And you can find usefull though partial information (limited to CC messages) here: http://forums.planetz.com/viewtopic.php?f=13&t=26107 I have the full information PolyAT message inclusive but it is only on a draft paper so far ... My idea was to implement 4 differents things in this device: - a kind of MidiBox "dedicated" to these synths - a subset of the MIDIBox Seq v4 - a midi translator tool allowing to remap midi message from one source to one destination (the idea behind this would be to allow ASB module to take control other ASX/plugiator board as they do not have exactly the same CC mapping !!!) - a MIDI preset interpolation feature to allow an alternate way of using the controller to adjust between two preset to build a third one

Here is the information you for FMagia

Here is the information you need for the Drum'N'Bass

Actually the front panel board connector is the 6 pin black one. What is good is that if the ASX is available once again at thomann so some other people could join us to setup something using it ... :). But merging the whole set of plugins available intoa unique front panel is not that simple. The Drums'N'Bass is espacially kind of out of range except if you focus on each of its instruments (especially the bass synth). The B4000 is also special about it. Maybe we should focus on synths like Minimax/LightWave/Prodyssey/Pro12 as they all have a similar structure including OSC/FILTER/AMP ... The vocodizer also include a similar simplyfied structure in its synthesis part So any idea about that ?

The ASX board is back and available in stock at Thomann : http://www.thomann.de/fr/use_audio_plugiator_asx_board.htm Do not find any EOL information about this one.

Regarding for power requirement: the full Plugiator Module require a 9 VDC - 500 mA power supply. Regarding the board the PCB has "CME ASX rev 1.3 © inDSP Audio Technologies" written on it, so yes I guess the plugiator main board and the ASX board are the same. Regarding the 3 small connectors: - a closer look seem to make me guess that the dual wire ones are for MIDI IN and MIDI OUT connexions. - the 4 wire one should be for the main power supply

From what I Know and what I can see on pictures of the ASX compared to the look I had inside one of my Plugiator the only difference I can see is the metal plate (which is probably also the difference between the CME branded ASX and the ICON branded X-Synth: http://www.icon-global.com/music/music/product.php?cpl2shu1_id=1&cpl3shu1_id=1&cpl3shu2_id=104 ). I requested some more info from use-audio guys but I had no feedback so far except for a "we will give you answer asap message". If you are not to hurry, I will try to find time to make a few measurement to check what the pinout is and what the necesary wire are. From what I see so far the plugiator is split in 3 boards: - 1 power supply switch & connector + MIDI I/O connector: this one is really basic - 1 ASX / X-Synth DSP board including USB and audio I/O: the most complex one - 1 controller board which handles the plugiator user interface (AVR based microcontroller handling the 11 encoders, 10 swicthes, 8 leds and the 3 digit led display of the front panel): a kind of MIDIBOX board actually ... The link between the different boards is as follow: - power supply and midi connectors are linked with the main "ASX" board withe 3 connectors : => 1 is 4 wired => 2 are 2 wired - the front panel board is directly linked to the main "ASX" board with a unique strip connector

Thanks for the information ... just placed an order ...

Maybe theese one could be OK: http://cgi.ebay.fr/PKG40-17x17-Black-Aluminum-KNOB-FOR-Most-Effects-Pedal_W0QQitemZ290371160042QQcmdZViewItemQQptZGuitar_Accessories?hash=item439b7847ea My 2 cents

Thanks for the answer but I would be more interested in transparent types. I hope this would help you to sell them anyway.

Are they transparent type ?

Yep, I noticed the Arturia Origin, but for the moment it is far to expensive for me. Moreover, I already own 2 Plugiator unit I bought on ebay with the full range of plugin so for me the ASX board are already here. The ASX board (under CME brand) is also offered as a so called X-synth board provided by Icon (but I must admit I never saw some X-Synth board for sale, only their host masterkeybaord the "Inspire" series. The availablity of the ASX board by Thomann is kind of changing month by month. Sometime you only have the plugiator available, sometime the ASX an extra plug-in bundle are also for sale. By the way the price you paid for the ASX is fair as it was the price thomann had it for sale it the last 3 months Also available there for example: http://digitalaudioservice.fr/plugiator-asx-board.html?___store=french&___from_store=english

EOL: where did you see this information ?

really nice ...

After some thoughts abouts it here are my preliminary conclusion: Building up such a MIDI controller as an external device (rather than integrating it alltogether with the Chameleon hardware) would probably be the most easy and flexible. The first rough idea would be to set up a dual screen device, each LCD being associated with 8 encoders and a few keys for step sequencer/arpegiator and modulation control (enveloppe generators, LFO ...). Regarding the Modular G2 front panel emulation, the idea would be to replace the 4 2x16 chacaters LCD and their encoder + led ring by a set of 8 encoder + 1 display and then copy/paste this setup to get a dual access panel control. Regarding the Chameleon, the use of a similar setup would probably be possible. Any need for extra controller ?

Yep, but if you compare the price of the ASX card + plug-inextension to have the Pro12 (roughly 200 to 250 €), you do not need any Mini-ITX setup nor VSTi licence. So regarding the thing from the budget side it could be something to think about ...

Another alternative as a soundcard could be an old good CreamWare PCI card: a Scope Luna/Home could provide you a 3 DSP set and 1/3 of the ASX board DSP power. It also needs a PC host. This kind of 3-DSP card can be found for less than 100 € nowadays. The same plug-in as for the ASX is available from SoniCore but would be maybe pricey (198 €). Maybe you can find one providing this plug (some 6-DSP board have been sold bundled with the so called Synth'N'Sampler pack providing both MINIMAX and PRO12 together with a few others). I built up a fanless rack PC integrating such cards a few month ago: some hints about it can be found there: http://forums.planetz.com/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=28203&st=0&sk=t&sd=a&start=20 In case this could help in any way. The Luna/Home Card could also be used as a rather good PCI sound card in its own providing at least some effects and alternate synth (including some free ones).

Maybe you should have a look at the Use-audio ASX board which provide a Core DSP synth module offering the same sound quality as the CreamWare Pro12 ASB: price is arround 150 € but sadly the Pro12 plug-in as to be bought extra for 50 € or within a 4 plug-in extra budle (including the Prodyssey, the ARP Osdyssey emulation). I do not know if you started ordering things but this would provide you maybe something simpler to handle (through MIDI) and maybe cheaper as a miniPC + software emulation. Only drawback is the monotimbral limitation and 10 notes polyphony ...

Some usefull and visually easy to read information can be found there: http://forums.planetz.com/viewtopic.php?f=13&t=26107 This is focused on the main and most interesting plug available for the Plugiator: - Prodyssey - Pro12 - Minimax - LightWave ... The others are: - The Vocodizer (a really interesting Vocoder with an integrated synth part - inherited from the LightWave) - The B3000 (an Hammond emulation which as less in common with the other synth oriented plugs) - The FMagia (more 4 Op FM synth) - The Drum'N'Bass (More simple Groovebox sound source)

I did not meant that the Core32 was required, it is just the first and only Midibox board I have so far ... And I also had in mind something combining a kind of MidiSeq altogether with some ASX control knobs and switches to provide something more user-friendly than the limited plugiator user interface: I had in mind to attempt to merge the more user-friendly old Creamware/SonicCore ASB module into something new, not only dedicated to MINIMAX but providing a solution for LightWave, Pro12 and Prodyssey (and maybe something for the Plugiator also).

The ASX is not a standalone board: it is actually a part of the plugiator. But I do think the ASX can be used a DIY integrated board: from what I know, the other board (3) available in the plugiator are: - a controller board for the front panel (a kind of simple fixed setting MidiBox) - a MIDI and power supply connexion board - the main ASX board (integrating the DSP, the audio I/O and USB) I will try to request more information from Use Audio ...