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Got my boards today ... Many thanks once again.

These extra features are already on a nice to have list. - The interpolation mode shouldn't require much hardware but only ... a lot of software (I just wanted to add or remap a few switches with leds and use the LCD for the rest). - For the simple seq, similary, my idea was to had 1 switch+led for direct access to this mode and then re-use the upper 16 rows of pot with only extra label on the front panel or to add 16 in a row push-encoders + leds for this special feature. So my first idea was indeed to focus on the basic box first. The idea was to bring up a smarter user interface to the ASX board with a few more extras. Regarding the display part, I am also wondering if an additionnal board dedicated to it wouldn't be the right solution ... This was just somethings I thought about while waiting for some components ... :tongue:

Regarding the step seq part, I do not intend to have something as flexible and elaborate as the MIDIBOXSeq v4. More or less just what is provided in my favourite NOAH instead ;)

My main target were the Minimax/Pro12/Prodyssey and maybe also the LightWave if I can use the LCD-encoders combination to achieve something easy to use. The B3000, Drum'N'Bass, FMagia and Vocodizer(except the synth and FX) were out of my target (much to different) I already did this to achieve a Scope based dedicated PC much more flexible but still severall elements (PC Rack + LCD) and miss the control part. Regarding the modmatrix, that is where we have to figure out how to use the LCD + encoder set to achieve something efficient. The most flexible and easy to use modmatrix I ever seen was the one used by EMS for exampel in the VCS3. Most of the switch used in thoose synth are used by ... the ModMatrix

Thanks for your feedback Julian. My main purpose was to through away a starting basis for further discussion. The idea was to catch up what was common to the main plug-in of the ASX (Minimax, Pro12, Prodyssey and part of LightWave). Most of synth have oscillators mixed into a filter section going through an amplifier stage. The effect setup is really similar for all synth plug-in inside the ASX (chorus/flanger + dual delay). We need to find a clever trick to manage different synth modmatrix ... I also thought the screen could be used to implement more plug-in specific functions to each synth. The idea I wanted to keep in mind was also not to have to delve into cryptic menu trees to find some feature. The Origin Layout seems also quite well designed. Funnilly, John Bowen thought about the PPG realizer when he first saw the Origin. The trick regarding the Origin is it uses a TFT quater VGA display and some reviews pointed out the screen to knob link was not that obvious ... Something more flexible but probably out of range would be to get something similar to FeelTune Rhizome What would you consider a reasonable number of knob (except what a midibox 64 would handle)? Question also is what would be best: pot or endless rotary encoder ? The reason why I choose the Core32 are: - I am new to Midibox and wanted to use C rather than assembly. - I have got one Core32 board here !!! ;) - I wanted to be able to inherit a subset of MidiBoxSeq v4 to add internal phrase seq - I wanted to be able to implement multiple task including: => synth edition (Midibox64 dedicated to ASX synth for a start) => step sequencing mode (alternate use of the 16 upper control elements for exemple). => patch translation (strangely the CC mapping is not consistent through the differents ASX plug-in though the effect setup seem to be) => patch interpolation mode / morph mode (rough idea: you upload 2 patches in the Core32 memory then use the control element to balance the value for each parameter between thoose two patches) All this would be maybe out of what a Core8 would bear. I made severall attempt to use standard MIDI controller (BCR 2000, X-station) to remote control the ASX and/or NOAH. BCR 2000 is more generic, X-station is one of the best synth oriented midi controller. But I feel the direct edition provided by the ASB unit are the best for me though some of the control are missing (effects, aftertouch, Pitch bend, mmod wheel and other extra control). So what I have in mind is to make an attempt to setup something mixing the best features of all thoose solution.

And the same fully equipped ...

So here is a rough idea of what the front panel could be. Now I will try to check how it could be used for the different type of plugins...

Regarding the effect size: - a set of 4 POT + 1 Chorus/Flang switch for the modulation effect (same on the ASX and NOAH though different messages) - a set of 8 POT + 3 switches for the delay effect (same effect, called sunth delay, available among the NOAH delay effects) - 2 extra pot for dry/wet balance on each effect. For this set of control elements, maybe a 2 row set would be the most easy ...

Thanks Good news

I thought the LCD should be "context sensitive": if you move an env poti, automatically display the enveloppe on the LCD. So here is a first rough list of common elements through the 4 synth: 2 Rotary encoder for waveform selection on each of the first 2 Osc with Waveform Display on the LCD OSC 8 POT - Coarse/Fine/Pitch Mod/PulseWidth-Grunge for 1st oscillator - Coarse/Fine/Pitch Mod/PulseWidth-Grunge for 2nd oscillator 4 sound sources Audio Mixer: 4 POT - Osc/Vco 1/A - Osc/Vco 2/A - Minimax-Pro12-Prodyssey Noise and Osc 1 Bal for LightWave - Minimax-Pro12-Prodyssey External and Osc 2 Bal for LightWave Filter: 4 POT - Cutoff, Resonance, Env Depth, KeyFollow (the 2 switches on the Minimax could be replaced by the pot, the Keyb control on the Prodyssey could be altered by the Keyb/S&H Filter control switch but still using the same Pot) => 4 Pot Env: 10 POT - FILTER ADSR ENV + VEL (still no R on Minimax, AR env on Prodyssey) => 5 Pot - AMP ADSR ENV + VEL(no R on Minimax though, ADSR env on Prodyssey) => 5 Pot The shape of the enveloppe could be displayed on the LCD ... Regarding the context sensitive display: - the upper part of it could display the common parameter values while the lower part could be used for specific/extra parameter adjustment depending on the one displayed at the upper side of display. Then 4 Rotary encoder+push could be welcome under the display

Nice demo indeed. This new toy looks quite promising especially for quick live pattern programming. This is a smart extension to the MIDIbox Seq V4. Kind of MidiBox spirit Monome ... By the way, what are the sound sources used for the demo ? Great Job as usual TK

A few questions I am wondering about merging control: - Merge Minimax Osc 3 and other plug-ins LFO 1 ? - Merge Prodyssey S&H and LightWave LFO 2 or Free EG ? I see 3 types of thing among these plugs: - Audio flow control elements: Osc/Mix/Filter/Amp/Pan + FX (Chorus+Delay) - "Fixed" control elements including enveloppe generator, LFO and keyboard note - "RealTime" control elements including Velocity, AfterTouch, Modulation Wheel

Here is an attempt to show the common parts and differences between Minimax/Pro12/Prodyssey/LightWave plug-in architecture.

I am OK. Midibox UC is not intuitive/synth oriented enough for me. I would rather set back something more inspired by the CreamWare/SonicCore ASB sound modules but merging them alltogether. I just spent some time counting the number of parameter to map for the main ASX plugs: - LightWave: 114 parameters - Pro-12 : 86 parameters - Prodyssey: 80 parameters - Minimax: 60 parameters The total is then 340 parameters but I already reduced this large amount to 228 as some are obviously similar from one plug to the other (EG ADSR parameters, Osc freq coarse/fine, ...) Looking at the common features ... Osc Noise Ext RM Filter EG LFO LightWave: 2 0 0 0 2 3 2 Pro-12: 2 1 1 0 1 2 1 Prodyssey: 2 1 1 1 2 2 1 Minimax: 3 1 1 0 1 2 0 More parameter fusion could be achieved by merging: - LightWave Osc Grunge with Pro12/Prodyssey Osc Pulse Width - LightWave LFO2 with Prodyssey S&H - LightWave Vcf2 with Prodyssey HPF

It would be good to build it for both internal ASX board or external device (more flexible).

Here is a picture of what use I could imagine of such a box. I will try to work on a first view of what a standalone unit could be...

Good idea. I started a new topic there:

Following discussion in this post: Some people among whom Maniac, Shuriken and I have in mind a project to build up a device using: - a Use-Audio ASX/X-synth board as a low cost (150 €) flexible DSP VA sound source - a Core32 based Midibox to enhance the direct control user interface provided by the Plugiator solution Main idea would be to setupo something providing the fusion of the Creamware/SonicCore ASB features to provide hardware mean of controlling the correpsonding plug-in whether they are hosted by an ASX board, NOAH or Scope. Alternatively such a device should be flexible enough to remote control some other kind of VA synth ...

For those who would be interested to such a project Thomann has the Plugiator available once again by Thommann(fully bundled with the whole set of 8 plug-ins): http://www.thomann.de/fr/use_audio_plugiator_bundle.htm So it includes the full range of oldies emulation: - Minimax for Minimoog - Pro12 for Prophet 5 - Prodyssey for Odyssey - Vocodizer inspired by the EMS Vocoder - LightWave as a more classic VA synth - B4000 for the Hammond B3/B4 And provide the additionnal: - FMAGIA as a kind of 4 op DX11 - Drum'N'Bass which provide a kind of TB+TR bundle The idea still would be to focus and a Midibox control to ease the use of the Minimax/Pro12/Prodyssey/LigthWave as the other are maybe much too different (though the synth section of the vocodizer could also be under control as it is a subset of the LightWave. All of thoose have a classic OSC/MIX/FILTER/AMP structure + a more or less complex and/or flexible modulation matrix.

Hi Nils, Already in the list for 2 boards, I would be happy to take 5 instead if you have enough for everybody else on the list. I would have edited the Wiki Page myself but I cannot figure out my I cannot login to do so ... Strange. So if still available I would like to get a total of 5 boards. Thanks and just take your time

Hi Nils, Any plan about the spare board from bulk order 2. How many spares do you have ? No hurry but just to have an idea about how to plan my own projects :ahappy:

Find my way. Everything is so well explained... I love this kind of tools that let you concentrate on applications developpement rather than fighting with configuration and sorting files.

Sorry I just find usefull information by browsing the Programmers lounge. I will try to find my way on my own before asking some more questions. Thanks a lot