stryd_one

Looking forward to seeing it out of the plastic! :)

MMMm.... Madness....

Kickass :) Well it's not TK's desk but.... I setup a webcam stream of my lab workspace so that I can show people how to do stuff in combination with the chat room. It's using broadcaster studiopro so that I can play my desktop (good for showing ppl how to use MIOS Studio or write code) or AVI's (and images like this) or the cam (for showing how to solder/pull chips/etc). Should be ready to go live in a couple weeks, but it's setup now if anyone needs it urgently :)

Did you look on eBay? Theyre on here all the time for like 3 Euros...

Yeh, plus I'm buku crazy ;D

Do it :)

You know about the youtube tag right? http://it.youtube.com/watch?v=KyP4BUO_GBE

One more vote for "your presence is not unwanted :) But yeh... No, there is not one single document that walks you from nothing through to finished MBSID, but if you would like to see such a document you are encouraged to make it for future midiboxers. Until someone takes on this task, the only option is to read through all the necessary documentation in it's separate parts, which means the wiki, and ucapps.de, and perhaps searching these forums for specific details. That's why everyone says "go read". It's not because they don't want to tell you, it's just that there is far too much to tell, and it's already been told in the best way possible, on one of the pages mentioned above :) Now, stop taking it so personally, and go read! :D

Sorry if I'm miles off because I haven't followed this thread closely, but wouldn't it be functional to use ULN2803, and invert the DOUTs in software? The software part is easy....

Or maybe something is connected wrong. Bridging it just means like this: Wire ------------------------------------------------------------- | | Meter | | Wire -------------------------------------------------------------

As TK said, if connecting the DIN modules increases the drawn current, then there is a short somewhere. Where? No, don't do that :)

Problem solved :) You should blog here/the wiki! External documentation tends to go bye-bye after a time :(

You must have been taking lessons from the TK School of Unstoppable Coding Goodness :D

mmmm, encoderrrrsss You mean M9 right? ...Someone's got MB6582 on the brain :)

What "big picture"? I don't see how I'm missing anything. Don't try and make out like I don't get it just because I just don't agree with you. There's a difference. Caveat emptor implies that we should beware of alti. I don't think that alti would agree with that, either. Alti may be relatively new around here but I still think he's a trustworthy dude. Also, that starts a bad trend - if I know that any group buy run from these forums carry the possibility of losing all your dough and no recourse will be taken against the seller, then I can only in good conscience warn people against joining any and all group buys. That's not a good trend to start. Why not? If you and everyone else are cool to bear the cost of altitude's mistake, then I say hooray. But you still haven't presented me with any solid reasoning why I should join you. The fact that alti did this for the good of the community is not lost on me. I'm not a moron and I'm not an asshole. It disturbs me greatly that he should be left holding responsibility for this disaster, after trying so hard to do us all a favour, and I've spent several hours trying to find a way around it, including skipping a physiotherapy session last night. But the sad fact is, that whether "alti was doing it for the good of the community" or whether "alti was doing it for additional $5 a panel for his own benefit", the commonality is that "alti was doing it". His motivations are not relevant to his responsibilities. I think you're letting the fact that you (like I) feel bad for alti's position, cloud your logic. He is the vendor, he's the guy I gave my money to, and the guy who would give me my panel. If not him, then who? Someone had to do it. I said last night in the chat, if he'd said he was going to send them as-is and untested then there would be no problem and nothing done wrong. And I wouldn't have joined the buy in the first place. ... As above, I don't think that's relevant. I gathered as much hehe... But that's exactly why more care should have been taken. So, end result for me is $20 in return-shipping and a few precious hours of my time out of pocket and dragging my crippled ass to the post office and asking the boss for special shift so I can get there during business hours, for a total of absolutely nothing to show for it.... Yeh, that sounds fair! :-\ I can see that you're trying very hard to do the right thing but..... It's not working ;) Well you made an effort and I don't intend to diminish that, but you really should have sent one to Wilba first. Or printed the design onto tracing paper or transparency and laid it on top of the panel at least. If they hadn't done exactly that already the first time, I'd agree, but after their first screwup I think that we should have expected anything. I don't think I ever made that implication! Then I fear you have made a mistake you can't afford to correct. And yet you don't even see fit to apologise. Not good enough mate.

Is there an echo in here? ere? re? e? ? ;D Just stating facts but... They were shipped out despite being faulty. That, unfortunately, was Alti's fault. Especially after the fab stuffed up the first time, I think more attention should have been paid to it, and one could have been sent away for a second pair of eyes to check. Whether that detracts from the great effort Alti has put in already depends on how he handles it. All the work he's done so far really amounts to less than nothing to me right now because I don't have a panel or money. Who then? Look it sucks I know, but the fact is that they shouldn't have been shipped out as they were. That was Alti's mistake and I don't see how it's fair to expect me to pay for it. I don't mean to be rough, but in the end a mistake was made and someone has to take responsibility, and IMO by now Alti should have done just that. The avoidance of the issue just gives me an intense "I'm about to get ripped off" feeling, because I know that the fab aren't going to pay for Alti's mistake and he's made it clear that he expects us to. I am absolutely sure that alti didn't intend for any of this to go down, but alti you do need to realise that no matter how kind and well-meaning you are, you're handling a buttload of other people's cash, and IMO should do so with a little more respect than you are at the moment. It's like when you're at the bar and you accidentally knock over someone's drink. It's not like you did anything bad, it was just one of those things, but in the end the right thing to do is buy the guy a fresh beer and accept that you weren't watching where you were going. Speak for yourself. If someone intends to take my money they damned well better intend to give me what I paid for or give the money back. In fact Sasha has been openly flambasted on these forums for pointing out that there may be risk when it was agreed that he may be right. Group buys are cheap because of economy of scale, not because it's risky or for any other reason. Altitude has spent a great deal of time and effort on this group buy and I recognise that and appreciate it - in fact, I was in the middle of writing a reply to this thread when I found out about the latest problems. I was in the midst of praising Alti on handling the hardest of group buys, where something goes wrong and all the pressure is on him to fix it. First time out, when it was the fab's fault, alti handled it like a champion. This time, it's his fault, and he's shirking the blame. I'm equally frustrated by this concept that because alti is doing this for free, he should be allowed to avoid responsibility for the money he has taken from me. Alti volunteered to do this thing, noone forced him. There was no warning given that Alti reserved the right to take the money and not deliver the goods, or I'd not have joined the order. Look, if you guys are happy to take the panels as they are, that's great. If you're happy to spend a bit extra and get overlays made up, that's great. I said before that I was open to negotiation, but neither of those options are suitable for me, and I don't like that I'm being made out as an "attacker" because of that. Ultimately, what I would like is for me to get a proper panel at no extra expense to altitude, but if someone has to cover additional costs, I don't see any logical reason why it should be me. If anyone can come up with one, I'd like to hear it. If you, like I, sympathise with alti's position, then by all means say so, but don't make me out to be an attacker when you do. I just want what I'm entitled to. Edit: or a bitch or a moaner. I'm getting rather impatient with these accusations. If you think I'm bitching and moaning how about YOU pay for the refund? Edit: I don't mean this literally, it's just meant to demonstrate that it's easy to accuse someone of bitching when it's not your money you're referring to.

Yeh I'd make it 200 at that rate.

hahahah I knew you'd chime in ;D Can you imagine the future internet: "Don't sweat mate it was just a joke, hence the *whack*" LOL

Don't sweat mate it was juts a joke, hence the smiley :)

Heheheh... Just a quick plug for the chat room if you haven't been there yet... Can be a good place for those kind of long conversations :) Just don't forget to document what you've learned back here for future reference ;)

Stay focussed. This isn't a matter of who could do a better job or whether the price was right etc. That can be discussed elsewhere/another time. We have bigger fish to fry. We paid for a product. Product not received = refund. Simple. I think it's entirely unfair to expect someone to pay for return shipping when it's not their fault that they have received a dodgy panel. It's not my fault that it was sent not done right, and I frankly couldn't care less who's fault it is. All I want is either: A) The agreed upon panel at the agreed upon cost or B) No panel at no cost. Simple. What's wrong with that?

PIC has ample memory for either/both of those, just not in addition to the MB64 app, which is feature-packed, and therefore uses most of the RAM already. Anyway, that module wouldn't need the PS2 driver, it's analog resistive so just wire it in to the AINs If the screen has a different resistance you will need to work around it.

Yes, but you could easily just interface the LCD module and touchscreen to the MBHP core and not use their custom controller. Possibly You will probably be able to figure this out yourself when you learn the languages.... In fact it could be good practical experience, as a way to learn :)

I thought these were done by the same mob as the x0xb0x, but I never heard of these problems for them... what gives? Pardon me for being abrupt, but I am short on time, so I'll come straight to the point. No, they were cheap because we gave the fab a shitload of business (and probably much more to come from future projects - now unlikely!) and because of the efficiency of scale. They've had the chance to remake them already, now it's refund time... and no, I am not paying to ship them back, unless they'll pay to ship to me. Perhaps they'll remake them at a lower cost to compensate for our wait and hassle. I think it's only fair to get what I paid for at the agreed price. I will negotiate, I'm not a bastard; but I won't be ripped off in order to compensate for the mistakes of a person who doesn't care less about me. Edit: 25%? Where's the logic in that?