start a new OS war here (was: GM5)

[Jidis]

I'm using the evaluation board from Ploytec...

Actually, I meant the "host". ;)

I guess I had grown to think you were always Windows and Linux. Are you all three now or have you switched over or something?

Take Care

[TK.]

I'm using Linux/Solaris computers @work, PC as Tarantella client and for eagle, and Mac for the rest

However, before it gets more off-topic, I splitted the thread and moved this to the misc section ;)

Best Regards, Thorsten.

[Jidis]

Hope that didn't come across with a Troll-like smell. :)

I actually spent over a decade on Macs (from OS6 up to the first couple OSX versions). I'm now getting too curious about X and have set up a hackintosh on my laptop which I hope to dual boot with.

So I guess "the rest" means you do all the MIDI/audio on Mac?

Take Care,

George  (and please don't let the thread turn stinky :))

[TK.]

I moved this topic, because I fear that the endless "but you can do this with linux as well" discussion could start in a forum section, which mainly intended for organizing bulk orders (people could loose the oversight)

I was using Linux for more than 13 years, mainly for programming and internet stuff; in parallel I used Windows for doing music stuff (Logic Audio, Reaktor). There was always the issue, that I had to switch between the operating systems, e.g. if I wanted to try out some new MIDIbox code with a real application, and back to Linux if I wanted to reply on an email... after a friend demonstrated MacOS, it was clear to me, that no other OS supports my personal requirements so well :)

Best Regards, Thorsten.

[cimo]

hi

i have to say that i am really really impressed by the latest linux-desktop development.

I ve recently bought a Dell D410 and after 30 minutes of install (Ubuntu) i got a fully machine working and i mean: drivers (also for wifi), all the function buttons on the laptop, audio, brigthness with nice GUI, dual head, hibernate and suspend (just a little bit slower than my Powerbook on suspend on lid closing).

With a few clicks i got all the extra applications i use: Amarok,vlc,vnc,etc

And a completely configurable desktop enviroment have a look at this:

i know it s just eyecandy, pretty fun though

i am also using a Fedore Core 8 and xfce with the PlanetCCRMA repositories for audio and i am discovering a real new (modular) world

on the other end i find my little Powerbook a nearly perfect machine inside and outside, especially for audio

Simone and his 2 cents

[nILS]

ewww eye-candy ;D

This comment was made only to point out the following:

A lot of the experience you have with any OS depends on your personal:

  * opinion

  * beliefs

  * taste

  * hardware

  * profession

  * demands

  * hair color

  * sort of underpants

So please, please, please, use whatever OS you want and like best or dislike most, but don't turn this into another long-ass OS wars thread ;) Pretty please. Oh and don't install kubuntu parallel to a WinXP installation cuz it'll screw up the MBR.

[ganchan]

Oh and don't install kubuntu parallel to a WinXP installation cuz it'll screw up the MBR.

you must srew yp the MBR if you want a dual boot ubu/xp using the bootloader!

[cimo]

So please, please, please, use whatever OS you want and like best or dislike most, but don't turn this into another long-ass OS wars thread Wink Pretty please. Oh and don't install kubuntu parallel to a WinXP installation cuz it'll screw up the MBR.

i have abandoned my posture against some OSes, i am here just to say what i like to use, it may not fit other people s needs, but really, i am blown away by my little new Linux machine and would advice anybody to try the switch, you know it s open source it fits perfectly the spirit of this community.

Simonex

[nILS]

you must srew yp the MBR if you want a dual boot ubu/xp using the bootloader!

"Screw up" as in break. Completely. "Break. Completely" as in "I'm not even gonna ask you if you want me to make any changes to the MBR of a physically different harddrive, but just gonna go ahead... I'm done now. Oh, nothing boots anymore. Oh well."

[cimo]

Oh and don't install kubuntu parallel to a WinXP installation cuz it'll screw up the MBR.

i think it is a bit unfair, especially if you also say:

So please, please, please, use whatever OS you want and like best or dislike most, but don't turn this into another long-ass OS wars thread

that would be like going to Kubuntu forum and write "i ve tried to build a midibox but it didn t work, don t build a midibox!".

If you don t want war then don t throw the first stone! ;)

Simone

[nILS]

I wasn't implying Kubuntu isn't extremely cool - which it is. The installer just tends to (I found about 42,000,000 posts on forums from people with the same issue) screw up the MBR when installed parallel to XP.

I think I should not post in this thread anymore ;)

[Jidis]

nILS-

I've been tinkering with setting up a big multiboot thing for a while and ran across a good tutorial which of course I can't find now. The gist of it was that he/she did all the installs one by one onto the first primary partition (keeping it simple), and dumped a Ghost image over to another drive or partition each time until he had a whole batch of different OS images. He wiped this main partition clean in between each install. After he got them all, he dumped them each to different partitions and set up a boot loader to pick them. I think he may have gone with one of the Linux loaders. The partitioning was even pretty elaborate, with many primaries and logical drives.

That system seems like it should also work and be safe if you've already got an existing install. The PITA part would just be configuring the boot loader to activate/hide the correct stuff, but if you kept the images outside everything, even trashing the MBR probably wouldn't be a dead end.

If anybody has tips/pointers on these two-

When I get back on it, I'll have two issues to work out: 1) An imaging app that can effectively work with any sort of partition. Ghost seems to be able to image Mac installs and stuff, but they come out giant (even with compression). I'm hoping there's something that does a better job of excluding the empty space. And 2) Selecting a good boot loader. I almost had LILO working some of it once, but the manual editing confused me (I tried to add a selection). I also want to be able to completely hide different partitions. I may be better off with a "bootloader for dummies" like BootMagic or something.

George

PS @Cimo- My approach on the Linux thing was a bit different. I tried a few Ubuntu variants and 64Studio, but really wanted something with almost no GUI and a really minimal footprint (just a launcher for a few audio apps). I ended up going with Arch, but being a newbie, I've got a long ways to go.

[ganchan]

"Screw up" as in break. Completely. "Break. Completely" as in "I'm not even gonna ask you if you want me to make any changes to the MBR of a physically different harddrive, but just gonna go ahead... I'm done now. Oh, nothing boots anymore. Oh well."

i understand now :)

but the question is: any program that you install ask you witch dirs or files to crate and ask to give it a confirm? i think not. installing a new os like linux that come with a boot loader, (especially this last ones more like windows installer) require a little docu first, and the boot loader obviously work with MBR (Grub can use NTLDR too). lilo and grub rare times don't work with some config. of hard disk partitions/systems etc. and are well documented. so the best thing that you can do if it happen is rebuild MBR with one program like 'partition table doctor' or any other. i know that it's frustrating the first time but 'there is always a reason'.  :)

[cimo]

I think I should not post in this thread anymore Wink

i don t take it seriously  ;), i was not aware of the issue with kubuntu and xp, i usually use gnome.

@Jidis just get any distro and use Xfce as desktop manager, it s very lightweight

@ganchan, nils: to restore a working mbr it may be enough to boot from a linux cd/dvd

see this tutorial:

http://microdotsagamedev.wordpress.com/2007/06/08/repair-your-grub-loader/

[stryd_one]

Tools for fixing your MBR are also included with windoze.

[nILS]

Yeah, but that doesn't help if your WinXP CD is not to be found ;)

[cimo]

ouch little and funny issue on my Gnome theme..  ;D

[Enth]

I've got dual-boot Windows XP. The other one is purely for DAW purposes, the ISO was modified with nLite.

- SP3 integrated. You could also add latest patches, own drivers or programs if needed.

- Stripped it from all unnecessary glitter/services/drivers.

- Disabled internet capability so no need for firewall or virus protection. Keeps me focused too :p

- Installed in 20 min or less. Clean windows directory ate only ~450mb? Could be <400mb.

- Boots in 15 seconds, shutdown takes only few seconds.

- Eats ~100mb of ram.

[MTE]

I've got dual-boot Windows XP. The other one is purely for DAW purposes, the ISO was modified with nLite.

- SP3 integrated. You could also add latest patches, own drivers or programs if needed.

- Stripped it from all unnecessary glitter/services/drivers.

- Disabled internet capability so no need for firewall or virus protection. Keeps me focused too :p

- Installed in 20 min or less. Clean windows directory ate only ~450mb? Could be <400mb.

- Boots in 15 seconds, shutdown takes only few seconds.

- Eats ~100mb of ram.

Same here.....nlite rocks ! :)

[Sasha]

Can you Enth or MTE make a list what exactly have you stripped?

[MTE]

Can you Enth or MTE make a list what exactly have you stripped?

Oh thats too many to explain, I studied nlite for months to get my personal shrinked version of XP working, it depend by hardware you use, what kind of system you want (only audio or audio + network or only internet) etcetc...

start with this -> http://www.nliteos.com ;)

[Sasha]

OK thx

[Enth]

Can you Enth or MTE make a list what exactly have you stripped?

http://www.cockos.com/forum/showthread.php?t=15923&page=15

DuX has made ready-made ISO, maybe try that? If you read through the thread, there's list what he's removed...

[stryd_one]

FYI, SP3 is known to have some problems..... None of our customers are rolling it out after the dramas with the first rollout.

[Enth]

Yeah, one serious problem was on HP's AMD based systems. SP3 would overrun the AMD CPU drivers with Intel's or something similar, making boot-up impossible.

Personally I've been very pleased with SP3, no problems whatsoever. Tho, not much difference either, minor performance and stability improvements. But because I made dual-boot, I had nothing to lose but time and one CD-R. When I found it to run smoothly, I was ready to make the update on my main-install.

Your mileage may vary ;)