Snyderman Posted November 4, 2008 Report Share Posted November 4, 2008 Okay, I've tried my best to read up as much as I can on the topic before asking here but I'm at the point where I think it would be more helpful just to ask you guys here.I even read this forum post: http://www.midibox.org/forum/index.php/topic,11465.0.htmlI've looked over SmashTV's site and as far as I'm aware the parts I need to order are:1 Core Kit with PIC18F4685 (Header 0000 0000 0000 0000)1 Din Kit1 SID Kit1 24LC512 BankstickIs there anything else that I can order from him that I'll definitely need like midi jacks?Another quick question.I noticed in the FAQ regarding PSUs, they say that once you add an LCD you either need to use a second power supply or the optimized PSU. Does that mean it will be best to just cannibalize an old C64?I'm sorry for the really basic questions, but I'm really anxious to get started on this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buhler Posted November 4, 2008 Report Share Posted November 4, 2008 Is there anything else that I can order from him that I'll definitely need like midi jacks?Another quick question.I noticed in the FAQ regarding PSUs, they say that once you add an LCD you either need to use a second power supply or the optimized PSU. Does that mean it will be best to just cannibalize an old C64?you may want to look into a DOUT kit as well... as far as MIDI jacks, you won't be able to send and receive MIDI if you don't have a way to get it into and out of the box. ;) also, the C64 PSU is external not internal so "cannibalizing" isn't necessary BUT it is necessary, if you have a C64, to take the SID out of it as the "SID Kit" from SmashTV doesn't come with a SID. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snyderman Posted November 4, 2008 Author Report Share Posted November 4, 2008 Right, I understand that the C64 PSU is external. I meant more along the lines of is the "optimized PSU" option more necessary for the complete control surfaces or even just the basic control surface, or would another PSU do?Also, I noticed that the DOUT module wasn't explicity mentioned in the FAQ for the minimal control surface. Do I really need one if I don't plan to have any LEDs on it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Labelwhore Posted November 4, 2008 Report Share Posted November 4, 2008 Right, I understand that the C64 PSU is external. I meant more along the lines of is the "optimized PSU" option more necessary for the complete control surfaces or even just the basic control surface, or would another PSU do?Also, I noticed that the DOUT module wasn't explicity mentioned in the FAQ for the minimal control surface. Do I really need one if I don't plan to have any LEDs on it?The optimized PSU is very easy to slap together (I did it in an afternoon with no problems what-so-ever, and my soldering skills leave alot to be desired) plus from what I've read you'll get the best signal-to-noise ratio using that option.For the minimal control surface (someone correct me if I'm wrong) you only need a DINX2 but you could use a DINX4 with only 2 of the 4 shift registers stuffed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buhler Posted November 4, 2008 Report Share Posted November 4, 2008 Right, I understand that the C64 PSU is external. I meant more along the lines of is the "optimized PSU" option more necessary for the complete control surfaces or even just the basic control surface, or would another PSU do?Also, I noticed that the DOUT module wasn't explicity mentioned in the FAQ for the minimal control surface. Do I really need one if I don't plan to have any LEDs on it?no, the DOUT isn't necessary but that's up to you i guess (LED's etc.). either way, the C64 PSU is used. i'm not sure what you are asking. the C64 PSU gives you both 12V/9V and 5V rails and the optimized PSU "optimizes" it's efficiency. better signal to noise ratio etc. otherwise, you will have to find a separate PSU for your Core module and a separate one for your SID(s) module(s) not to mention that you may not get as clean a sound with whatever you decide to use. i'm still not sure what you mean about the whole cannibalizing of the C64...? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snyderman Posted November 5, 2008 Author Report Share Posted November 5, 2008 Buhler, yea that's what I wasn't sure about. Without the C64 PSU I thought I'd need a separate power supply for the core and SID modules. As far as "cannibalizing", all I meant is that since I don't have a SID or a PSU at the moment I'm likely going to buy a C64 with PSU and just snatch the SID chip. I might just ask here in the fleamarket since I'm much more likely to get a working 8580. Or I might just wait and get extra chips from the SID Mega-Sale #7.I was originally planning to get 8 for the MB-6582 but I know myself well enough to say I'll probably leave the components sitting around like many others. If I build one of the basic models first I'll be much more likely to actually make the MB-6582. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
veau Posted November 5, 2008 Report Share Posted November 5, 2008 It's probably easier to build the MB-6582 since the control surface and case are already planned out for you and everything is contained on just two boards. I'd say the only benefits of building what you plan to build are the total cost and the experience of really "doing it yourself." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nILS Posted November 5, 2008 Report Share Posted November 5, 2008 veau: That is a very un-DIY way of looking at it. The mb6582 is an awesome thing, but I doubt that it could possibly fit *everyone's* needs. Depending on the way you plan to use your mbSID your way of going about building and setting up the CS may be pretty different from the mb6582. This is one of the enormous advantages of the midibox concept - its customisability.edit: typo. thx bugfight. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stryd_one Posted November 6, 2008 Report Share Posted November 6, 2008 tyypos aer teh l33tcustomisability.omg you spelled it with an s. How unamerican of you! :D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goblinz Posted November 6, 2008 Report Share Posted November 6, 2008 tyypos aer teh l33tomg you spelled it with an s. How unamerican of you! :DYes, well done, he spelled it correctly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nILS Posted November 6, 2008 Report Share Posted November 6, 2008 Yeah for real you aussies need to learn to spell! ;D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wilba Posted November 7, 2008 Report Share Posted November 7, 2008 -ize endings are perfectly correct British English also...http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_and_British_English_spelling_differences... and technically,-ize endings are preferred for an international context like internet forums etc.Worldwide, -ize endings prevail in scientific writing and are commonly used by many international organizations.So... :P Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stryd_one Posted November 7, 2008 Report Share Posted November 7, 2008 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NewspeakAll this from a site that spells it 'pedia. Pff, it's 'paedia, stoopit! ;D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goblinz Posted November 7, 2008 Report Share Posted November 7, 2008 -ize endings are perfectly correct British English also...http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_and_British_English_spelling_differences... and technically,-ize endings are preferred for an international context like internet forums etc.So... :P[/quoteNot in my part of England it isn't! I shall continue to use -ise, No problems other people with different native languages adding their own flair to the English language so I'll do the same (I'm from a reputable posh part of the UK :/ ). The only other option is that I start typing in a broad Yorkshire accent, but then don't think anyone would quite understand me. I bet the wiki page was written by an American anyway. ;D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lief138 Posted November 7, 2008 Report Share Posted November 7, 2008 All this talk of newspeak and no one has mentioned the boot yet.... shame shame..."If you want a picture of the future, imagine a boot stamping on a human face—forever" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stryd_one Posted November 13, 2008 Report Share Posted November 13, 2008 That quote always reminds me of this ...http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xpJzT6eKn4sOne of the ruffest tunes ever written. (Wait till the end to hear your quote, but they're all through it...)Tower of Babel anyone? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davotron Posted November 13, 2008 Report Share Posted November 13, 2008 Hey, Snyderman I'd consider getting an LCD display too, it has certainly helped me begin this project, as long as it complies with the Hitachi HD44780 specification Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snyderman Posted November 14, 2008 Author Report Share Posted November 14, 2008 Yea, davotron I was planning on it. I plan on getting a 2x40. I know that will mean that I have to add more buttons but I prefer more parameters visible at one time to less. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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