TK. Posted January 10, 2009 Report Share Posted January 10, 2009 It seems that some people would prefer to automate MIDIbox SID V2 parameters with CCs instead of NRPNs due to DAW limitations.Although CCs are limited in the number (only 128) and resolution (only 7bit), they could still cover your usecase......so, just list the parameters you would like to control and I will add a CC mode which will fit your needs.Here a list of all parameters:http://svnmios.midibox.org/filedetails.php?repname=svn.mios&path=%2Ftrunk%2Fapps%2Fsynthesizers%2Fmidibox_sid_v2%2Fdoc%2Fmbsidv2_parameter_chart.txtBest Regards, Thorsten. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stryd_one Posted January 10, 2009 Report Share Posted January 10, 2009 Sounds like a reason to upgrade to a real DAW to me ;)Still, CC's will be nice for quick try-outs ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smithy Posted January 10, 2009 Report Share Posted January 10, 2009 It seems that some people would prefer to automate MIDIbox SID V2 parameters with CCs instead of NRPNs due to DAW limitations.Although CCs are limited in the number (only 128) and resolution (only 7bit), they could still cover your usecase......so, just list the parameters you would like to control and I will add a CC mode which will fit your needs.Here a list of all parameters:http://svnmios.midibox.org/filedetails.php?repname=svn.mios&path=%2Ftrunk%2Fapps%2Fsynthesizers%2Fmidibox_sid_v2%2Fdoc%2Fmbsidv2_parameter_chart.txtBest Regards, Thorsten.Thats great to see.I think it would be really worth putting a link to that on the Midibox Sid V2 Manual page.Just like each synth manual has a CC table before the appendix.Edit: Just spotted theres a link to it in the Lead Engine:http://www.ucapps.de/midibox_sid/mbsidv2_parameter_chart.txtI wonder would it be worth giving its own section on the manual too though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stryd_one Posted January 10, 2009 Report Share Posted January 10, 2009 Why don't you put it on the wiki then? ;) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smithy Posted January 10, 2009 Report Share Posted January 10, 2009 Why don't you put it on the wiki then? ;)Why dont you ask me to......um, oh wait! ;)http://www.midibox.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=midibox_sidIs that cool?I changed the name to "CC Parameter Chart" because its more recogniseable than just parameter chart, at least for noobs like me! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TK. Posted January 10, 2009 Author Report Share Posted January 10, 2009 I deleted the .txt file on uCApps, as it isn't guaranteed that it will be updated.The SVN link is the only one which is almost up-to-dateProbably some of you already noticed, that this file is in the doc/ directory of the release package as well.Some words to the Wiki page: it's somehow unsorted (MBSID V1 mixed with MBSID V2)And sometimes you are writing it wrong - it's neither called "Midibox Sid", nor "mbSID", it's either "MIDIbox SID" or "MBSID"However, it seems that nobody is interested on an alternative CC map to access a selection of parameters directly?Best Regards, Thorsten. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smithy Posted January 10, 2009 Report Share Posted January 10, 2009 IAnd sometimes you are writing it wrong - it's neither called "Midibox Sid", nor "mbSID", it's either "MIDIbox SID" or "MBSID"Ooops, sorry about that, must knock that habit.However, it seems that nobody is interested on an alternative CC map to access a selection of parameters directly?I dont understand what you mean by an alternative CC map, i was just suggesting linking the main parameter map on the main manual page.Maybe i confused you when i said I changed the name from "Parameter Chart" to "CC Parameter Chart",so it would be recognised as a CC chart easier? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TK. Posted January 10, 2009 Author Report Share Posted January 10, 2009 i was just suggesting linking the main parameter map on the main manual page.I already added it, just press the refresh button of your browserMaybe i confused you when i said I changed the name from "Parameter Chart" to "CC Parameter Chart",But this is no CC parameter chart, because the parameters are accessible via NRPN, and via various modulation sources.Again - this was the initial question:It seems that some people would prefer to automate MIDIbox SID V2 parameters with CCs instead of NRPNs due to DAW limitations.Although CCs are limited in the number (only 128) and resolution (only 7bit), they could still cover your usecase......so, just list the parameters you would like to control and I will add a CC mode which will fit your needs.Addendum:currently following CCs are allocatedCC#00: select BankCC#01: Knob#1CC#06: NRPN MSB ValueCC#16: Knob#2CC#17: Knob#3CC#18: Knob#4CC#19: Knob#5CC#38: NRPN LSB ValueCC#64: SustainCC#89: NRPN LSBCC#99: NRPN MSBI will add this to a new text file later, and release it in the SVN (no need to write a second documentation in the Wiki, which will be inconsistent whenever I'm doing changes)So - which parameters would you like to control directly via 7bit CCs?Best Regards, Thorsten. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smithy Posted January 10, 2009 Report Share Posted January 10, 2009 Ah, my humblest apologies for confusing it for a CC chart TK.In future ill just make suggestions if they could be useful to me (i.e when i have an mbsid finished)instead of just wasting the time of others, when it can be put to so much more important things MB-related!I guess people with the minimal control surface, or no control surface at all would benefit the most from direct CC's,so i guess they would be the best people to suggest them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stryd_one Posted January 10, 2009 Report Share Posted January 10, 2009 However, it seems that nobody is interested on an alternative CC map to access a selection of parameters directly?Yeh, I thought a lot of people would be really excited about this... Huh?? Where is everyone? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flexinoodle Posted January 11, 2009 Report Share Posted January 11, 2009 Going through the list of parameters at the moment for an unrelated project and i will make a list of what i think would be useful as soon as i have covered it all ;)Cheers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Filch Posted January 15, 2009 Report Share Posted January 15, 2009 Yeh, I thought a lot of people would be really excited about this... Huh?? Where is everyone?I am very excited about this , especially being primarily an Ableton Live user. My MBSID is still being built though, so I can't even play yet :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toneburst Posted January 19, 2009 Report Share Posted January 19, 2009 I'd go for this idea, too. Having said that, if I can work out how to implement the current NRPNs on my XStation, I'd be happy for the moment (see my separate thread).a|x Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Labelwhore Posted January 24, 2009 Report Share Posted January 24, 2009 I'm definately excited about this, thanks TK. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toneburst Posted January 25, 2009 Report Share Posted January 25, 2009 In terms of controls that would benefit from CC controllers, I'd say why not start with the parameters that have dedicated controls on the MB6582 CS? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Labelwhore Posted January 25, 2009 Report Share Posted January 25, 2009 In terms of controls that would benefit from CC controllers, I'd say why not start with the parameters that have dedicated controls on the MB6582 CS?I second that. Filter and OSC controls, things like that should be first on the list. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toneburst Posted January 25, 2009 Report Share Posted January 25, 2009 I second that. Filter and OSC controls, things like that should be first on the list.And envelopes.a|x Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toneburst Posted February 4, 2009 Report Share Posted February 4, 2009 Any developments on this?a\x Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boops Posted February 4, 2009 Report Share Posted February 4, 2009 hi,i was busy last days..;i am very interested to control my sid by cc(only this on the P3)...by example resonance,cutoff,lfo rate..etc would you need a list?thanks guys for your works Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stryd_one Posted February 4, 2009 Report Share Posted February 4, 2009 would you need a list?list the parameters you would like to controlHelps to read the whole thread ;) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boops Posted February 5, 2009 Report Share Posted February 5, 2009 ok...it seems that the basics parameters will be useful ,by example the volume cc:7 mod cc :1...i will make a list soon ..;-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toneburst Posted February 5, 2009 Report Share Posted February 5, 2009 What we want is controllers that will do more-or-less the same thing in the Lead, Bassline, and SuperPoly engines (the Drum engine is a maybe not such an obvious contender for CC control), so my vote is forMain VolumeOsc. 1/2/3 WavformFilter CutoffFilter ResFilter TypeFilter Env. DepthFilter Env. DecayPortamento On/OffPortamento TimeAs the basics.a|x Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stryd_one Posted February 6, 2009 Report Share Posted February 6, 2009 the Drum engine is a maybe not such an obvious contender for CC controlYou don't play drums very often do you? ;)I'd think that things like env (attack times especially), LFO rates, PWM width, and WT params would be handy...Perhaps a CC to select which voice you are controlling with the other CCs? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toneburst Posted February 6, 2009 Report Share Posted February 6, 2009 You don't play drums very often do you? ;)I love drums, it's just that I thought tweaking the same parameter on several different sounds might not work very well.a|x Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stryd_one Posted February 7, 2009 Report Share Posted February 7, 2009 True that! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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