Rowan Posted March 22, 2007 Report Share Posted March 22, 2007 Take a look at this puppy........ :ohttp://www.jlcooper.com/pages/oem.htmldrool.....drool Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kris Posted March 22, 2007 Report Share Posted March 22, 2007 i have to admit thats something else but theres no reason you couldn't include a touch screen in a midi-box they are coming down in price i met a person on a vj forum thats built his own touch screen midi controller regards kris http://vvvv.org/tiki-index.php?page=sanchette Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stryd_one Posted March 23, 2007 Report Share Posted March 23, 2007 You sure that's a touchscreen?Hey Rowan what happened to Miss Motorbooty? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kris Posted March 23, 2007 Report Share Posted March 23, 2007 it might not be a touch screen but id be surprised if it isnt look at the sliders in the bottom right corner of it regards kris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stryd_one Posted March 23, 2007 Report Share Posted March 23, 2007 look at the sliders in the bottom right corner of it That's my point... why build faders out of slide pots if you have a touchscreen with sliders on it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kris Posted March 23, 2007 Report Share Posted March 23, 2007 i dont want to fight with you stryd he,he i submit you win i dont know why theyd have both but the ones on the screen definately look like touch screen slider implementations that ive used before in dmx lighting set ups anyway ive just emailed them to find out they make some wild things tho a motorised joystick controller regards kris sorry about the thread nab rowan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smashtv Posted March 23, 2007 Report Share Posted March 23, 2007 This thing is pure dog-and-pony show for some post house to lure clients...Eye strain, back pain, and throwing your shoulder out to select a menu item.....not ergonomic at all. All that money and effort for monitors aimed at the roof? ;)If I had to do more than 5 minutes chained to that thing I would have it up on phone books (raise it a few inches) and kick the chairs out of the room.On faders+touchscreen=redundant I have to disagree....I thought the same until I worked on a Euphonix console, and halfway through the day I realized I was flying the damn thing faster than a normal analog console (with no function layers). :)BestSmash Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stryd_one Posted March 23, 2007 Report Share Posted March 23, 2007 LOL ;Dkris: They do look that way huh! To be honest I thought the same and then saw the size of them, thought "do they make touchscreens that big?" (yes) and my inner sceptic came out in force hehehe Thanks for emailing them... guess we'll see :)Edit: Speaking of sceptics, I agree smash ;D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kris Posted March 23, 2007 Report Share Posted March 23, 2007 yea i agree with smash though its all for show eye candy for the clients but the angle of the screen tends to point to touch screens as well anyway the comment i was trying to make is that touch screens arent so exspensive and after using them i think the best way to go is a mixture touch screens and sliders rotarys buttons joysticks etc regards kris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moogah Posted March 23, 2007 Report Share Posted March 23, 2007 Hey Rowan what happened to Miss Motorbooty?Bring her back! lol ;)I would doubly agree with SmashTV reguarding Faders + touchscreen not being redundant.. a bit opulant maybe.. but the combination of dedicated controls + on screen elements can really be amazing!.. In any case this thread is the last thing I need... Now I've gotta spend my weekend looking into the cost of touchscreens and embedded linux platforms. Dammit. ;D ;D ;D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stryd_one Posted March 23, 2007 Report Share Posted March 23, 2007 Hey moogah, while you're hunting... Maybe you might be able to look into prices/compatibility, etc, for digital touchscreens?They're broken down into a grid rather than having the resistive X-Y positioning... Seems simpler=cheaper, but I never hear of them...Perhaps because they probably have far lower precision... But they'd still be good for a seq, if not a fader box.This might be a good time to bring up an idea I've been toying with lately... If you haven't read MIDIbox Network then please give it a glance... The area in particular I'm thinking about is the special service layers. By using those, it could be possible to emulate button presses, or directly call the functions required, which opens interesting ideas to me because it could allow a singular CS to act as the CS for various midiboxes simultaneously. If you could get your embedded linux tablet thing to talk CAN...... The great thing about this is that you have the CS based on a PC with all it's benefits (think about patch storage, or MBSeq drum grids with skins, the ability to zoom in on the 'LCD', integrated mixing and routing of audio channels including additional FX.. I could go on and on), add knobs and switches to that ala midibox, and yet you get the sound and stability of the hardware synth, so if the PC crashes, the music doesn't stop, and the knobs still work - for emergency filtersweep redundancy ;) I wish I had as much time and money as ideas! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Screaming_Rabbit Posted March 23, 2007 Report Share Posted March 23, 2007 They're broken down into a grid rather than having the resistive X-Y positioning... Seems simpler=cheaper, but I never hear of them...Perhaps because they probably have far lower precision... But they'd still be good for a seq, if not a fader box.... they are perfect for soft buttons! They are very precise in question of touch sensitivity and they allow multi touch, which you can't realize with X-Y touch screens.Greets, Roger Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jidis Posted March 24, 2007 Report Share Posted March 24, 2007 For what it's worth, that Cooper promo shot was on the cover of Mix, maybe last year or so. I think they had the details on it, but I'm not sure if it's available online. They (the faders) could just be an open mixer window in their host for visual ref. If I see the magazine laying around, I'll see if it says.BTW- People on another group were bragging recently about the new Novation controllers. Apparently, they create a link between the DAW app's "open" plug GUIs and the controls, so that if an editor opens onscreen for a plug you've assigned a map to, the controller automatically switches to that particular map/layout or something. On top of that, the Steinberg apps have remote (MIDI) key commands which can be assigned to the "edit" buttons of VST plug slots, so you could effectively select, open, and edit plugs, regardless of where they were in the mixer, complete with an auto-opening onscreen GUI and all the parameter names, etc. on the controller's LCD (at least I think that's what they meant ;)).I also think that having tactile control, in addition to a nice big visual reference onscreen is really nice in a lot of places (namely, many of the new EQ/dynamics plugs with graph windows). I wish they would add functions like that for the generic remotes. I'm pretty sure the Novation things are tied to some software. Right now, the generic remotes seem to only identify a "list" of parameters for each plug slot. There's no real way for a remote to identify a specific plug within the mixer.George Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kris Posted March 24, 2007 Report Share Posted March 24, 2007 wow so many words written embedded linux touchscreen tablets bring it on or maybe even linux or osx running on x-box 360 boards with touch screens i think the things i like are they are ideal for clip selection banks in vj software + the ability to have many different lay outs in one space anyway enough of that on with the new layout for my box regards kris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DavidBanner Posted March 24, 2007 Report Share Posted March 24, 2007 I thought the same until I worked on a Euphonix consoleEuphonix desks are the bomb! correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't current touchscreen technology limit you to 1 action at a time (i.e. 1 finger on the screen at once)?That's what's put me off, I need to be able to be doing several things at once, so it would seem hardward is still the way fwd... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Screaming_Rabbit Posted March 24, 2007 Report Share Posted March 24, 2007 correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't current touchscreen technology limit you to 1 action at a time (i.e. 1 finger on the screen at once)?... not so with digital touchscreens, because they're actually a touch button matrix.http://www.studer.ch/pdf/flyers/Vista%207%20-%20Flyer%20(03-2003).pdfThe touch fields below the on-screen rotaries (page 2) are digital touch screens and allow multitouch.Greets, Roger Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kris Posted March 24, 2007 Report Share Posted March 24, 2007 touch screen technology is polyphonic nowdays but even the older monophonic is still handy anyway they havent emailed me back so we might never know if they are or they arent regards kris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Screaming_Rabbit Posted March 24, 2007 Report Share Posted March 24, 2007 touch screen technology is polyphonic nowdays but even the older monophonic is still handy... this has actually absolutely nothing to do with "nowadays" but more of what technology you're selecting for your project. - Even today a xy resistive touch does not let you use "multi touch" since this technology simply can't verify more than one touch at once.Greets, Roger Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smashtv Posted March 24, 2007 Report Share Posted March 24, 2007 There are also optical touch screens, but they are low res compared to resistive or capacitive, and not multi-touch capable. On the upside they don't cover or interfere with the display, can be scaled to any size, and could be made DIY. It's simply a "frame" of IR LED emmiter/detector pairs, lit and read matrix style. Perfect for soft buttons.I would be happy to dig up much more info (and design the needed hardware) if anyone is serious enough to code this as a MIOS app.....I used commercially made optical screens like this on the baby plasma(s) in my tour DMX consoles, and I -think- the service spare is at my house. (translation: I have one we can destroy to help design a MIOS version ;) )BestSmash Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kris Posted March 24, 2007 Report Share Posted March 24, 2007 sorry for the miss imformation regards kris ps the monophonic lighting system i used to work was very handy once you turned the computer on you didnt need to touch the mouse it suits my needs it will be great to see video clips on one be able to see the clip your selecting ive attached some photos to illustrate this is my box playing resolumeas you can see the clip selection matrix is all little images of the clip ideal so id like to help in anyway smash but im useless at coding but ill look in to the optical screens ive not seen them these look interesting http://www.hometouchsystems.com/?gclid=COKWxv3EjosCFQ2HlAodP0TwSQ this company makes overlays for plasma screens http://www.wedgwood-group.com/lcd_overlays.htm back to the next audio layout just waiting to get the plate cut lots of love and light kris P1010020.JPGP1010021.JPG Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smashtv Posted March 25, 2007 Report Share Posted March 25, 2007 Very cool that add on touch panels are getting this cheap. I guess I still had the high cost of ELO and Microtouch brands in mind. USB ready, peel and stick, calibrate. sweet. ;)Makes no sense to DIY unless we do a touchscreen rig w/no PC.BestSmash Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kris Posted March 26, 2007 Report Share Posted March 26, 2007 just for the record the controllers in the photo are touch screen Hi,Those were custom touchscreen consoles built by A film company in Los Angeles.The console was used by New Line Pictures in creating Austin Powers movies.The console was built with MCS-3800, MCS-3000x and MCS-Panners for integration with Digidesign's Pro Tools system.Thank you,Danny O'Donnelldanny@jlcooper.comwww.jlcooper.comNational Account ExecutiveSales/SupportJLCooper Electronics142 Arena StreetEl Segundo, Ca 90245310-322-9990 ext 15310-335-0110 faxregards kris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jidis Posted March 26, 2007 Report Share Posted March 26, 2007 Thanks Kris :)I looked all over for the date of that friggin magazine and couldn't find it. I'm surprised JLC doesn't have any location details to go with those user photos. That one just had "glass console" or something.George Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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