Echopraxia

In my never ending quest for a solid midi workstation that can slave to mbseq I came across propellerhead's slightly new software "Record". It seems to have a real fast response to external midi clock and actually responds to tempos changes in real time. Only problem is I think propellerhead's editor/arrangement/piano roll interfaces are no good. If you can maneuver around then I would suggest it because of the tight timing with mbseq. Another problem is that record/reason can only be slaved and can't send out mtc,mmc, smpte etc. Another one I found with midi clock slave mode was Magix Samplitude. This one has been around for quite some time and I never even considered it until recently. I have found the midi editing and configurations to be very easy and usually only 1-2 clicks to get where you want. I might even switch from reaper! The only problem is the slave mode lags big time. When I hit start on the mbseq, samplitude for some reason jumps from 00:00:00 to 00:01:14 right away when I hit play on mbseq, then samplitude will play syncd but not in time. If any one knows how to solve this sloppy timing please enlighten me. How can a $200 program (record) do this so well and every other daw can't? Samplitude master midi clock mode works great however. I did try to use rewire between reason and samplitude and it worked great if it was just those two programs, but I think that so far I cannot get mbseq master syncd to slave reason which is rewired to samplitude to work :( If reason/record gets updated to allow sending mtc/mmc to other daws while in midi clock slave mode, I'll be in business. Reason will be the mbseq tempo router to samplitude. But I think Samplitude only plays a single project tempo :(

Right, so you want it to snap right away and not at the beginning of the measure.

So for instance, the pattern is still running even though you are triggering steps at will (so it will sorta always quickly revert back to the correct step in the current measure?) Currently you have to press select and have a track set to "sync to measure" while in manual mode I believe. You want to do this without pressing select maybe? Regards

Do we have a midi panic function?

Yes and so is the first part of the drums then later the rompler stuff comes in.

Soundcloud converter gave the intro some weird digital wind whooshing sound underneath.

All of these feature MBFM. If its not MBFM its Nord Micro and MP-7. Comments welcome. First one was not recorded very well. All sequenced with MBSEQv4 This second one actually has a little MBSID too.

I have a similar problem with my mbfm hanging notes far too often. I think maybe its a short somewhere?

I'll try to post some mostly mbfm tracks later today or tomorrow.

Using PCI EMU 1820. Has 8 analog ins/outs but that's about it. You can add a 1212 to get 4 more ins I think. Was going to sell it to try to get Lynx or RME but just can't afford em right now. 1820 is ok, nothing special. I would think with the 8 1/4" inputs you could hook up a 4 bus (stereo) mixer to route all your 15 synths to what any of the 4 stereo recording pairs to at least get some stuff recorded with one pass while monitoring the tracks your not recording with the analog mixer. It seems to me that there are 4 price brackets for interfaces: maudio,EMU,behringer-low end maudio firewire, saffire, presonus,a&H fire wire mixers-mid end RME-mid high end Apogee, Lynx, Lavry, benchmark, Lucid, mytek, prism, metric halo -High end I would love to get a dedicated PCI interface that I can grow over time, just run synths directly in with super duper quality and lynx keeps popping up. RME seems to be the cheapest higher end stuff available that can be chained PCI cards or firewire as well (up to 3 units. This would make sense if not wanting to use an analog mixer. Looking at Behringer Xenxy right now to go into the 1820 though. Gonna try it out for a couple months. Let us know what you try!

So If I am understanding you correctly I would set then synths as follows. node 1: midi out1 > USB in1 node 2: midi out2 > usb in2 node 3: midi out3 > USB in3 node 4: midi out4 > usb in4 node 5: usb in1 > midi out1 node 6: usb in2 > midi out2 node 7: usb in3 > midi out3 node 8: usb in4 > midi out4 This would only accomplish 4 midi channels right? I have 4x for the mbfm, 4x for the mb6582, 1x for nord micro modular and hopefully soon an Octatrack. I guess having to switch channels in the nodes isn't too much hassle. Do you run mbseq master or machiendrum. Can md and ot interface with the computer daw with usb or only midi out/in? I may end up sequencing either the mbfm or the mb6582 from the OT. That would give me enough routes I think? TK can we get more nodes please? :thumbsup:

I curently have my mbseq going midi out to all my synths and I absolutely love it! How are you recording and playing back when you want to? obviously you have a mixer in your videos but wanted to know the routing you have with your mixer to amp and mixer back and forth between ableton. Would a 2x stereo(4x mono) bus mixer be enough for this routing. I have been looking at super pci audio interfaces lately to get 192k audio in but they are very costly. Lynx has one with 4 ins and 4 outs @192k plus one stereo digital aes/spdif. Would you recommend for qaulity purposes only, to not have an mixer and just run synths directly into an expensive sound card and out of sound card to the amp. I do not mind having the computer on to hear the mix as i want to integrate the daw directly with mbseq to actually record and arrange int he way I am used to. Please do comment on your mixer bus in and out of pc with the mixer. I'm looking at the midi router page. I'm looking at bus#1-4 and node#1-8. What are the benefits of bus1-4? Do you flip through nodes to get the midi in out routing you want? Would 8 nodes be enough to route 4 synths with a daw back and forth? How do you route from pc to mbseq to synth (to play back your recording midi notes which were inputted by the mbseq into the daw) ? It sounds complicated and I have a sinus infection and chills at the moment but I would love to tackle it one day. Also since I am worried about latency would OSC be the better choice over USB? Do daws support this?

Thanks for the replies guys. I'm using Reaper which only supports midi clock out NOT in :( I have been looking into protools but am on pc and I can't test it out. Maybe I should see if they have a demo. Does cubase have midi clock in sync? I would love to use the mbseq as master for this. I have a old model (light green) midi sport 2x2 and a emagic mt4 with 2 ins and 4 outs but find the midi sport works better. I was looking at the motu time piece because it has a stand alone mode as well. So are you typically controlling the machinedrum with the mid in and out of the mbseq and then you change the midi routing in the event page of mbseq from midi to usb? can the usb connection from daws to mbseq route to the adjacent midi port of the mbseq? In other words, this sounds like I may be able to hook up all synths using the midi outs from the mbseq and have the daw record and also playback those midi connected synths with only the usb connected to the daw. This might be ideal. Thanks again!

Just some hum. That's it. I do not know enough about capacitors ,resistor, op amps, crystals etc. I love my little guys and want to give them some love in the signal path. If its not possible no worries. I just thought that maybe you could replace some parts in the opl3 module to maybe help reduce the hum. I was using post filtering on the tracks to make it go away. Should I get some super nice ribbon cable to go from the audio out on the board to the audio jacks and get some nice audio jacks? I guess that would be a good place to start but where could I find a nice cable to run to the jacks from the baord? Its all gold plated up to the ribbon cable so maybe this would help? Can it really go faster....?

MBSEQ usb out to daw --> out daw to usb midi interface --> out to synths Is this the best way to try to get mbseq to sync to midi clock with a daw AND be able to record midi notes into daw AND send them back out to synths in real time so I can play/edit a midi composition of all the mbseq edits from daw's sequencers. ] I'm am trying to figure out what is the best way to play mbseq and record all midi in to daw and have daw send out all midi data in real time through a midi usb interface. with regards to latency between mbseq and synths in this configuration. I tried this before with mbseq midi out to daw and when I had to many fx delays from the mbseq the pc would crash. Would the usb out solve this or would the pc still probably crash at the daw usb midi interface out? Only reason I ask is that I never made a hole for my usb slot in my case and have all my patterns events saved as mid outs and IIC's. Would a serial midi interface be any better. I'm still running 32bit. Is there another way with maybe a motu midi time piece of midi patchbay routing scheme that could give me the flexibility I need? Would any of the crashing be from reaper? Should I try other daws for midi external sync? Which ones? Lately I have been looking at protools since it opened up its audio interface requirements and it has a feature called midi beat clock. Does it work for what i'm trying to do????? Anyone else tried this? I really like jamming on the mbseq and this way I can still control everything from mbseq and daw at the same time. This is becoming more important now that my instrument base is completely midi! rockin mb6582, mbfm, nord micro mod, mbseqv4, midi keyboard with some pedals and hopefully soon an elektron machinedrum.

Can any of the opl3 boards components be swapped out to hopefully improve the audio signal? Same question applies to mbsid.

Might be useful to some here. http://www.djtechtools.com/2011/03/24/diy-gridbox-acrylic-cases-for-the-monome-inclined/#more-11689

Just wanted to know if the 18F4620 will work as well as the 18F4685 or even at all? The 4620 is my only spare chip besides my 18F452. I'm assuming I will have to hit up Smash but just wanted to confirm. PS Do you think that MBFM would ever need to go core32? :rolleyes: Regards

Just messing with the loop feature :) Do you think we could get one, two or several additional loop points so we can trigger between them live? I found so many useful loops in my tracks that this would make MB life even sweeter! Example loop point 1, offset 4 steps 8 loop point 2, offset 8 steps 4 loop point 3, offset 24 steps 12 and so on.... I am still trying to figure out what is the best way to enable them because as of now we use off/on for loop 1. Maybe use loop encoder to switch from "off-1-2-3-4-5-6-7-8-9-10" :) and still have the loop button still turn loop on/off. That way you can play your full track, then turn loop on and already be at loop point 8. Then be able to turn off loop to go back to the full track then turn loop encoder to go to loop point 3 and then turn on etc. Or set your loop points and start turning that encoder for crazy live predetermined mashups. To go even further with the idea, If someone wants to install 16 individual track select buttons like I mentioned previously and set loop to "selected tracks" you could mash up for example only the drum tracks and do all this in record time. Wada ya think? Regards PS can I get my transpose to default to "octave" first instead of "semitone"? I know you changed it in the past but wanted everybody's opinion as I am finding that I use the octave setting a LOT more even though I was the one to suggest semitones be the default :whistle: which was to move drum kits up and down precisely. Are people using semitones this way or find that they use full octave changes more?

Right that's normal. When you do this it erases everything on the track and changes the length and parameter allocating but does not save any pattern and layers within it unless you use save it as a preset but presets don't matter in this case because if you load a preset it loads the 256 note length or whatever it was set to . It is difficult to get a 256 length pattern down to 128,64 etc and keep all the settings within the original pattern.

Thanks for the tip. I have not even gotten in to song mode yet! On another subject I was trying to change a tracks event type from 256 step to only 64 to get the extra parameter layers And was only somewhat successful importing the track. Here is what I was trying to do. 1: copy pattern 2: on new pattern, change event type to 64 notes, and recreate layer cc settings from first pattern (no-preset made, didn't bother because the previous pattern would save it as 256 steps) 3: save new pattern 4: go back to first pattern 5: Try to copy parameter settings of cc layers from old track and paste to the new 64 step pattern. When I copy the cc, roll2 etc, layers in to the new pattern they get pasted with a random value even though I made precise adjustments to each step in each layer on the pattern I was copying from. Am I making sense? I am stating to get into the whole layer concept adn would like to know of how to copy, for example, parameter layer d cc#3 and its values for each step into a completely new pattern even though the new pattern will be a different length and type. Regards

Assign drum patch to ensemble? I am starting to get into the drum kit on the FM and would like to save a certain drum kit to an ensemble :whistle: Should this be in the main ensemble menu? Also any chance of getting a few new additional voices for the drum kit? you could call em clav, brsh, snr2 and hat2 :D single cycle wav forms anyone? :shifty:

How can you make a program change when switching patterns? I have some patterns that sound good on one patch and other patterns that sound good on another patch and want to flip in between the two patterns with two different patches.

Just planning it out. Definitely no rush but that's awesome!

Just a thought. I have a couple somewhat responsive buttons from the CS bulk order and one happens to be the menu button. If i'm in the pattern menu, and want to save a pattern, I would hold menu and then hit the save GP button. The only problem is that when you have a menu button that only works when you hit the right side of it you can easily change the pattern instead of saving it therefore losing your changes. So my thought beside getting new buttons was if we could have some kind of buffer in case these kinds of accidents happen? Its probably too much to ask for as no one else has this problem yetand the fact that you can save all patterns now with session saving. There are sometimes though when I only want to save one pattern and not all of them. I want to talk with Wilba about using different buttons that are the same size and type to avoid this issue as its more than a couple that have it. Some times I like to use the Manual trigger mode but two buttons don't fire all the time and it throws me off. Anyone else had this problem with these buttons where hitting it from one side works and hitting it from the other side or center doesn't?