Kartoshka

David, academy of art allows you to put aside marketing considerations and concentrate only on what you been trained of. In this case, let marketing people do these calculations and make their B.A there. B.Des is all about Design.

this means we really can order parts together to have a huge quantity discounts! ;D

Asaf, are you in the order too? :o

11 sids over here.... ;) thanks wilb

Catching the bus and saying this to the bus driver, i say this exact same phrase all the time ;D ahhh you're the corkproducers i saw on frappr ::) ;)

basically, that's correct, but if you present just an idea without the product itself, it feels kinda like masturbating, "with your abilities to convey the idea" ;D and... for a final project, you'd put every effort you can, to achieve the top and not just to get rid of. Correct me if i'm wrong, Sine. ;) To Asaf, (as a designer you should know how to work without it): agree, but when we face up a product as special as mbsid, i think it's really better idea to first get used to it, and later, clearly explain it's functions and operational modes in manual; again, for folks like me who hardly know how to turn their soldering iron on but do want to explore enchanting and amusing soundscapes, unavailable for them before.

;D first of all, ppl, thanks for hot discussion, that's the reason i love you there ::) well graphic environment, or visual environment, for my mind, is everything you see/hear/know about the product, without actually touching it. let's assume it is a set of all the truths told or shown by some interested folks, that exists solely in consumer's minds, before they actually meet the product. Graphical environment is essentially everything we see, even if we're alone in the forest,or drowning in the middle of pacific ocean. for what i meant to do, is — DB, you're right — also a diffferent silkscreen/painted box/maybe different box at all to stylish the visual concept, but in addition, an operation manual, assembling manual and package design for folks like me, interested in music but cluesless in electronics. The whole idea of music is to be able to express yourself, so more people it can reach, better the world would be. Instead of fighting, stealing, killing and other amoral behaviour patterns like that, humanity could be more happy, smiling and overall more satisfied. ;) One of my difficulties with this project was lack of programming knowledge, for example to modify the mbsid/mios to have faders/motorfaders/additional pots/enconders/joystick style controllers, and color multitouch lcd in particular (which will become all-common in 5-10 years period, for my belief), which would only emphasize the essence of mbSID. Why knobs/faders? Why encoders? Why lcds? Is this a common technique we're all got used to, or is it really better way of controlling the sounds? If, as smash says, we plan to march next 20 years with same instument, maybe it's a good consideration to think of new interfaces. Or not... Any case, should take this into account. The way research goes is discovering new, more intuitive interfaces to control sound, example NIME, instead mimicking existing and traditionally complicated for newcomers pots/faders/knobs/data input scheme. Eitan Shefer, industrial designer from my academy, made this project as his final, in 2005: Think of playing the instrument, and playing with instrument. Wilba said, he begun designing his 6582 to have a pro-looking mbsid to suit his needs. (Wilb' please, no offence - i do like it and this is the reason i want to make it) But what is pro-looking? Who decides which is pro-looking and what are the guides for creating a pro-looking instrument? If ease of use, simple layout, overall visual look, or clever internal design makes instrument pro-looking? Or maybe a monome or lemur, ipod or audiocommander's kII is pro-looking? I think this decision is very subjective, although some guidelines can be traced. Some of them may, or may also not include references to Design Traditions, Seriousness/Fun, Typographic Design statements - in design itself as well as in engraved or screened descriptions. While not being able to cover any of those questions, all i can do for midibox SID from graphic designer point of view, is to: a) think of them and taking them into account, and b) create something which i've been trained of, and which is, how surprising, graphic design. And, if not modifying, but making (graphically designed ;)) package and representation, How would you design a package for a product like midibox SID? Which are the points you'd mark as the most important and fully representating the essence of what midibox SID (accent on SID), gives you?... Traditional/revolutionary design? pixel-like square box or amorphous liquid-and-life-like shapes? Basically, sound from 80's, a 8 bit sound, but with recently rediscovered powerful features found on acid 303, plus nifty synthersizer capabilities which TK kindly publishes from time to time, how you project this set of truths on somebody else without actually hearing/demonstrating the instrument? This is the graphical environment i talk about. questions? ;)

get it shipped to relatives/friends/anybody you know who lives in americas, this way it's much cheaper ;D i can check this shipping way if we order smth from there

you can order them from shopeio.com directly, model AMC2004A-B-T6WTDR, by OrientDisplay http://character-lcd-lcds.shopeio.com/inventory/details.asp?id=1287&cat=Lcds&sub=Character%20Lcd or set another bulk if Smash not gonna stock them.

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is this space area is fully recyclable? ;D

Seppo, you're right. even with lack of knowledge, driven only by urge, you can do everything. ;D that's how great things come into life. Nobody (at least me) not complaining. Only asking if i can build my final project around it, assuming i need a working machine to explain to wide public what it is and what it isn't. The project is not mb6582, but it's graphic environment. And to your question, the point is not parts. pcbs, yes, and pics.... i begged for pcbs lot of times already, lot of times. just search for it in the forum. ::) somebody even tried to help... but only with one of them, not set of two. Really, i'm tired of these discussions. Without knowing if it'll be ready untill summer, I'm shifting my diploma project on smth else. :'( mb6582 will wait for leisure times. and.... yes, and your honest contribution to the community. Kart

non-removable storages like 60Gb cameras give you more flexibility with managing your recordings... how long can take transferring a file via firewire/usb2 compared to actual playing time if you record from regular cassete to computer....

Sorry for that, no offence. ;) Don't get me wrong! :-[ Just wanted to know if i could finish mine untill summer... for academic reasons ;D ::) Well, i'd better find another topic of research, like type design / book design / illustration / everything else, rather than developing now a good-looking, easily accessed, illustrated and readable construction manual/brochure plus package design for mb6582. I took it as a great idea to make connection between something like SID sound with it's concrete visual world, and our childhood memories. Every time i hear THAT sound i'm flooded with rainbow colors and pixel graphics... Combining with my final project, wanted to give something to community too, not creating something commercial which most graphics design is all about. ;) i wonder where smileys should appear in there Peace. Kart.

deadline expires in 10 days?.. let's not bother sasha with it before he posts new one :-\ No but seriously, i think time has come to start arranging parts orders, as i can't see any reasons why not to.

well email sent... sorry have to improve my english before i take a part in such discussions ;)

hmmm needless to say i'm in for everything

damn it, these are hot! :-[

MIDIxOx?...

more i listen to samples you made more i want to build this midibox.. sid sound is SO ILLUSTRATIVE and powerful altogether.. it has soul

videos from phone is awesome! seems like you're having a lot of fun there, Julien!.. ;) (although i can't undersand a word in french)

this is nice thing you talk about, ganchan. i think it's neccessary for live performing. ::)