DenDer

Well just connected the lcd and its working although i get a ''cs not enabled!!'' message. So i have to upload the other file to enable it. I'm going to a studio reset at the moment, changing the way of ordening things for easy play,you know....i bought a lot of equipment lately so its time for a change. I'll connect SIDDER tomorrow(if i can find some time...got three bookings on saturday ;D ) on the computer and get back to you. But LCD working....ya

Some questions.... I'm building this with pic 18f452, so a version one. 1.Do i need to have a core for every SID module or not?? 2.Or is it only possible to control 2 SID modules from one core with pic 18f620?? Otherwise i'll be switching to pic 18f620 and use the 18f452 for a MidiBox 64 that i'm going to build for a friend and one for myself. He is my vj on the parties i organize and he needs a midibox to control the vj software. 3. I'm building the control surface now. When i connect the lcd do have to upload anything to the pic or is the lcd control already in the main hex? (im using a 4*20 LCD with bl)... and does this also counts for the DIN and DOUT pinning, are those also in the main hex?? The DIN and DOUT boards are soldered, the lcd i'm working on it right now. O yeah if you are going to make the ledmatrix leave out the last 220 resistor pack and bridge it. I was yet again to enthousiastic and had to desolder the bugger again. Just a waste of time. I really need to buy a printer and print these things out.

Well its quiet easy......just read read read read and if you still got questions there is a chat room on this site with some nice people who can help you if you're in a hurry. Otherwise use the search function on this site. Most of all the problems are handled here. But if you come across a problem, also provide the answer or solution to this problem so other people can benefit from your answer. good luck and keep us up to date on your progress.

Yes yes y'all......package arrived this weekend from Smash.... i really have to hurry to get this thing going....i have a live performance on the 9th of may and it would be really cool if i can use SIDDER live on stage....last weekend i had a try out with my live setup and the crowd went willlllddd.

Oke found it!!! For pic18f452 you have to connect all the wires.... i quote from uCapps:If a PIC18F4685 is used in the project (-> MIDIbox SID V2), the LCD is accessed in 4bit mode. Accordingly, the data pins D0/D1/D2 and D3 should be left open at core and LCD side (don't connect them to ground!) - see mbhp_lcd_4bit.pdf

Thanks Cosmo, but doesn't this only apply to V2 ? ? ? ? And can I apply this to my project since i'm using pic18f452? But first i want to connect the LCD. AND AGAIN.....I'VE READ SOMEWHERE THAT YOU DON'T HAVE TO CONNECT D0 TILL D3 OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT CAN SOMEBODY PLEASE HELP??????????

Yes, today the package from Voti arrived ;D So now its time to connect the LCD.....but I have some questions about it.....I read somewhere that you dont have to connect D0 till D3 or something like that to the LCD. I've been looking everywhere but i can't find it anymore ??? Any one? And I'm confused about how to connect 4 SID modules(all 6581) to 2 core modules(pic18F452)..... I know how to connect the 2 cores btw but then you connect 2 SID modules just to one core right? So the master core controls the slave core and 2 SID modules and the slave core only controls the other 2 SID modules. There is to much information thats scattered around on Ucapps.

Thanks Mike!!! Just what i needed and ordered them directly......

Thank you guys!!! ;D Well all the equipment i need is in the mail to make a complete C surface SIDDER. LCD, rotary pots and tacticle switches are coming from Voti. Another core kit, three SID pcb's, dinX4, dout kit are coming from Smash. I already got all the wires, leds, phonojacks I need. So now its waiting in anticipation on the parts to arrive...... ;) ;)

Alrighty theeeeeeeen 8)

OKEE MAYOR COOL UPDATE:::::: [glow=red,2,300]MY SIDDER IS WORKING!!!!!!!![/glow] Okee i must admit being an ass.........ive put the optocoupler the other way around.....really dum dum dum dum.....so switched it back to its correct position and started uploading without any problems. So check, double check, three double check if its in the right position otherwise your midi won't work. [glow=red,2,300]SIDDER IS ALIVE[/glow] You can imaging how happy i am at the moment...all my friends declared me for a nut, i quote:''yeah,yeah cool sounds from an old c64, you're an idiot that doesn't work'' well i(we) proved them wrong..... THIS IS SO GREAT.....

So if i want to change the id header from 01 to 00 i open up MIOS, than load the change_id application 0000 0000 0000 0000, with the device id set to 01 in the hexuploader, press start and then power up the core, right? This part is really confusing ??? ??? ??? btw i didnt do this yet because i want to be sure that im doing the right thing here....

So i've checked my core on soldering mistakes: None to be found Did the Vdd test: All positive values Did the ground test : All positive values My midi plugs cant be wrong since they are soldered directly to the pcb Next thing to do is changing the id header....

So after some hard troubleshooting in the chat with stryd,doc and the others, but mostly stryd :D we have come to the conclusion that A: My soundblaster is now up and running no midi problems on that side for now anymore. It probably got confused with my Terratec soundcard so it was putting midi out to the wrong port. To see if the midi worked i used MidiOX and a selfmade midi testrig which connects midi in with midi out. Then i've connected it to the core and opened MIOS Studio with the core still powered off. B: We (stryd and me) came to the conclusion that the pic id header might be wrong. I bought this one from SmashTV and i'm positive i requested a id header for a master core since this is probably a slave pic. But not to worry this can be changed....so this is the situation for now MIDI IS WORKING, which is great, but the pic doesnt upload the sid application because of a wrong id header.....getting back to you tomorrow......and thanks stryd for your patience and guidance through this jungle of bits and bytes.......

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Well after some help of doc in the chat,thanks dude, my SIDDER just isn't working....at least for now. There seems to be a problem with the core receiving any data back from MIOS studio. I've tried to upload the setup6581.hex but it gets stucked after one block. I follow the following procedure: I open MIOS Studio, then make the midi connections and then powering up the SID. If i do this i get this message in the midi monitor in window: 00000000013052 ms | Sysex message: F0 00 00 7E 40 01 01 F7 So it recognizes the core right? Then i upload the hex file for the 6581 SID. The hexuploader displays this message: Starting upload of setup_6581.hex Sending block 00003000-000030FF in the midi monitor out window this messages appears: timestamp [unknown] | Sysex message: F0 00 00 7E 40 00 02 0C 00 00 20 53 7B 63 1F 06 53 5E 19 78 36 7D 71 4F 43 45 6F 0C 7C 00 0E 78 6B 60 16 77 46 5E 04 17 3C 35 70 24 3B 63 2F 01 47 5E 1A 78 0D 5D 71 57 41 13 6F 0D 3C 04 1E 78 6B 60 1F 77 46 5E 01 67 3C 35 70 0F 3B 63 2F 04 03 5E 19 78 20 3D 71 4F 42 05 6F 0C 7C 10 3E 78 67 60 25 77 46 5E 02 1F 3C 35 70 42 3B 63 1F 04 17 5E 19 78 21 5D 71 4F 40 24 00 00 00 02 20 00 00 00 12 00 00 00 01 10 00 00 00 09 00 00 00 00 48 00 00 00 04 40 00 00 00 24 00 00 00 1F 7F 7E 62 21 68 1A 28 01 7F 33 3B 6E 6A 18 03 5E 72 10 24 01 75 67 40 7E 00 48 03 6B 4F 02 3C 00 35 00 48 00 28 00 0A 60 02 68 00 60 00 19 40 06 60 01 64 00 3D 00 10 00 04 20 01 10 00 26 00 0A 10 02 58 00 5B 00 18 00 06 30 01 58 00 39 40 0F 20 04 04 01 09 00 24 20 09 48 02 46 00 56 00 16 70 06 04 01 4D 00 36 20 0E 30 03 68 00 01 00 22 20 09 08 02 33 00 51 40 15 48 05 5C 01 41 40 33 30 0D 4C 03 4D 00 7A 00 10 28 08 48 02 22 40 4C 70 10 4F F7 but then the hex uploader gets stuck??? Atleast it doesn't continue uploading the application. I've tested my midi in out in MidiOX and there is activity on both in and out.

Well that actually funny. I've just unchecked the Smart mode (so i've put it in Manual mode) and the hex 6581 is succesfully uploaded. Atleast that's what it says. If i close down and restart MIOS studio i don't get any message at all....this isn't good right? I don't have a LCD yet, also in the mail..... And like already mentioned its a pre programmed one from Smash with MIOS installed.

So i really need some help........ i've connected everything to my computer but i don't seem to get any sounds no matter what i try. I'm using a preprogrammed pic 18F452 from SmashTV. Midi out from my Soundblaster is connected to midi in from core and vice versa. In MIOS studio i've connected the MIOS in port to MPU401 out port and vice versa. Then i've got to upload the SID v1 main hexfile. So i open this and start uploading. This is the message i get: Starting upload of main.hex Sending block 00003000-000030FF And the midi monitor out shows that its sending. But then nothing happens actually. How long does it take to upload anyways?? Midi monitor in shows nothing. My device ID is set at zero as it should be, since this is the master core. And don't use any banksticks as yet(are in the mail). SO WHAT AM I DOING WRONG??? Am i forgetting some steps?? Well i'm also using an Evolution MK249C2 midi keyboard which is connected to a USB hub. I've just connected the midi in port of MIOS with the MK. Then the midi monitor goes crazy displaying messages like these: 00000000215373 ms | [FE] Active Sensing and they just don't stop. So does anyone got any answers???

Well the title says it all. I'm looking for these since i don't want to order a full SID kit. I've already got all the other parts for three SID modules but the 470pF Polystrene caps are hard to get here in Holland. I could order them from Mouser but for a order of 5 dollars to pay 25 dollars for shipping are a bit to much. Maybe some one ordered SID modules from SmashTv and don't uses the 470pF. I'll need six of them.

Well it's not that hard. On J15 of the master core you leave out pins d0 till d3. They are not connected to the lcd. On pin d3 of J15 you've got three connections. -One is to short d3 and d2 with a 4148 diode make sure the negative side of this diode is connected to d2. -The second connection from pin d3 of J15 is a wire with a 1k resistor in series to pin Vd from J2 of the core. This is only for the master core!! -The third connection from pin d3 is your can bus wire which connects all your cores together. Then on your slave core you also short d3 and d2 with a 4148 diode. Watch the negative side again!!! I think this should be it but correct me if i'm wrong.

So what kind of caps do you use then Jaicen? And what is the exact function of C1 and C2? Do they both regulate the filter cuttoff range? I've checked the pin out of the 6581 and pin 1 till 4 are for Cap 1a,1b and Cap 2a,2b so i don't get any wiser on that. Like recently i've build a tube vcf which also has a switch for 3 different values on the cut off frequency range. Are these caps(c1,c2) more for stabilization?

Nice one dude, maybe some day your Greenie and my SIDDER can play together on the playground of dreams ;)

So everything is hooked up and i get good voltages on the ic power pins. SID=11,87 Volts (i'm using 6581) 74HC595=5,16 Core=5,16 Are there any other pins of importance that i've got to measure??? After an answer on this question i'm going to hook SIDDER on the computer.......

That's a good question indeed Stryd maybe Ganchan could be/should be more clearer....maybe he wants to connect a washing machine or a hair dryer. :-\ :o ;D :D ;)

So my LCD, rotary encoders and tacticle switches are on its way from Voti. Yesterday went to the old popstage De Kern here in Purmerend and got all the cables i needed from some old computers that where laying around. So its hook up time for the PSU his friend CORE and sidekick SID. Hoping to get some sounds this weekend. MIOS is already in da house and so is the SID application. Keeping my fingers crossed but i'm confidend its gonna work.