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[50059.609] f0 00 00 7e 40 00 01 f7 [50060.718] f0 00 00 7e 40 00 0e 0c 01 f7 [50060.718] f0 00 00 7e 40 00 01 f7 I didn't let it run the whole time cause it takes about 30 minutes and it's late but it does that about 4 times and says upload completed and nothing changes on the LCD. It's reading: EInt|PInt Ld Chn. 1 1**-|Lead Patch I guess I'll have to build a whole CS cause the buttons aren't doing anything even on my new board. I built a mini matrix with all the functions of the step B CS and wired it according to the Matrix for the MB6582. If I change the DIN pins on the encoder it will change the LFO depth and a couple other things. But I guess you need the completed matrix for the programming to make sense of the buttons. Going to bed now. Have more soon. Thanks!

Hi. It took a long time (nearly 30 minutes) to load and it still won't play with MIDI. I forgot to capture what came up on the MIDI IN screen. It was two lines about four times. Similar to what you get when you turn it on. I'll do it again and post it for you when I set everything up again. (Sorry) :cry: Right now my desk is cleared off to work on a CS. I uploaded to correct firmware last week by swapping the chips with the new board I built. So the LCD reads like everything is hunky dory when I turn it on. My step B CS won't work with the MB6582 so my next step is to build a rudimentary controller until I make my faceplate and am postitive where everything is going.(Also help me learn how it all goes together) On the new board I built last weekend I can't get the V2 editor to work. I ran MIDIYoke through MIDITrix but all I can get is the patch column and when I click a patch it says it's getting no response from the V2 MBSID. When I plug MIDI directly to the board I get quiet tones from SID 2 on channel 1, just a buzz from SID 4, full tone from SID 6 on channel 3 and no tone from SID 8. (I'm just working in Mono till I get everything figgered out. I think I can't get the editor to work because of my sheer ineptitude on the computer.(seems like I'm learning though :thumbsup: ) So I'm going to build temporary control surface to help me see what really needs troubleshooting. One thing I noticed... J11 on both of them has no effect. Even on the new board (that midi works on module 3 for sure), when I switch the shunt and query it says there is not reply from Mios 8/32. What does that mean?

Wow. :sorcerer: I assembled my first board last weekend and the first PIC seemed to take to the frimware. I can play midi though it. Only on the first module on the MB6852 so far though. I built a step B CS but only the first select button does anything and now it stopped doing that. :rolleyes: I loaded the PICs for the other board I was troubleshooting on this new one I just built but I can't remember if they work on the new one. I'll be troubleshooting this weekend so tomorrow I'll try out the new Mios Studio. That's awesome! My computer is a netbook. Probably only good for surfin the web. I am very unfamiliar with computers so this is going to be the most difficult part for me. I tried the SID editor and had a lot of trouble figuring out how to get everything pulled together. I followed the directions and I think I had it all setup right and still couldn't get it to work. But I quite probably did something wrong. I've got a question. I left out 3 R6(?) the resistor under the PICs the partslist says isn't necessary. They are not on the first board either. Would that cause any problems? I'm just talking out of my head now. Tomorrow I'll set everything up and read through the troubleshooting guides again try the New Mios Studio!!! Thanks!

I've tried that and it reads "bootloader mode not accessible" (paraphrase) in Mios. Then I'll try it again and it reads check midi in/out No response from Mios8/Mios32. I'm at the beach this week so I do not have any of my stuff here... I'll have to wait till next weekend to do any physical work with it. Thanks!

Hi. I can't get it to work on mine but I can tell you the right way to do it. Go to Download the latest MBSID firmware. Open and save the zip file somewhere you can find it easily. If you got the PICs from Smash they should have Mios installed on them. If not you can install it. Find the latest version and do the same thing for Mios as you will for the MBSID V2 firmware. Connect your MB6582 to midi (and power). Open Mios Studio. Make sure the connections are right. It should prompt something like Mios 1.9 ready to go! Upload now. (paraphrase) Go to browse and find the opened V2 file. In it you will find MBSID 6582.hex (the hex file for your box) Click on it and it will show up in the box in Mios studio. Click on Start! Bang! There you go! If something is already installed on the PIC you may have to get everything ready, then turn your box off then on then hit start in Mios Studio. I think that should work for you.

Thanks!

Duh! Thanks!

Any body use a Lexicon Lambda to upload programs to MidiBox?

It's still telling me No response from Mios 8 or Mios 32 core. I turn it off, turn it on then hit start and it says bootloader mode cannot be entered. I'm gonna post a thread to ask if anyone has used the Lexicon Lambda. It's not on the Blacklist... Sysex messages come up on the screen when I have it looped to itself... I have a GM5x5x5. Still not sure If I put it together right cause I don't have the midi sockets yet. I checked and Smash had a delay cause of backorders. My order got processed on May31. Thanks Guys!

I'm not good at building midibox, cause I haven't built one yet, but I maybe able to help you with your songwriting troubles. A sequencer will not write your song for you. Different people write songs different ways. I write songs in a multitude of ways. Sometimes I will hear a hook in my head and hum it a little and the words or harmonies or the changes will just come right along and it's all I can do to get it down while it's raw and fresh and beautiful. Other times I will not have anything in particular in mind and fiddle around a bit and catch a cool hook, maybe something very simple, that wants me to add harmonies. A trigger to unlock the band in my head. Other times I will fiddle and fiddle and fiddle and get nothing I'm satisfied with. If you don't have a song in mind just bump out a few single notes from a chord in a cool rhythm and see if it sparks the fire. Don't force it if it doesn't or you'll find you can waste days, even weeks trying to hammer something mediocre into what you'll find will still be mediocre. Don't feel you have to finish every song. Some are not meant to be. Some people are very well musically trained and they do it like math. This note goes with that one and that one goes with the other. Sometimes they have trouble breaking out of the box to write something original. It's tough to let go of our learned melodies. They're infectious. Sometimes I have to stop listening to music for a couple months to let mine percolate. Sometimes I'm dried up and I have to listen to other music for a while to recharge. All music has already been written a thousand times. Start simple and focus on your music. Don't try to write to match anyone else. Write from your heart. Write a song that you want to listen to. As your writing improves you will find that you need to learn more about the machine to accommodate your musical desires. You may get more ideas as you learn what this machine is capable of. The important thing is to write and write. write something everyday. If it isn't good don't keep it. Try again. If it is good work on it. Flesh it out. Listen for the harmonies to go along with it. Don't force it. I hope this is what you were talking about and not something technical. I hope this is not insulting to you. I hope this helps.

Awesome! Thanks for the reply! Any idea how to get my pics to respond so I can upload the current firmware? I've not been able to upload anything new. Guess I better give it a try before I take up any more of your time. Also, I ordered a couple boards and other stuff from smashtv a couple months ago... I know he's very busy so I'm wondering what a polite waiting time is before I ask him if he sent them and maybe they got lost in the mail. I don't want to bother him unnecessarily... If there is a problem though, I would like to know.

Any thoughts? Do you think it's the soldering somewhere? Why would only the second PIC have a response? The board didn't look that messed up. I can't figure out why only the second pic would respond. would that mean that there are bad joints on the way to the other 3 or is this something else? I've touched up most of the questionable joints so I can't imagine that many got away from me. I've read most of the stuff on troubleshooting that is applicable. Anybody have a similar experience or a suggestion?

If it sheds any more light when I turn it on the MIDI in window says: f0 00 00 7e 46 01 0d 00 00 00 f7 f0 00 00 7e 46 01 0d 01 00 00 f7 f0 00 00 7e 46 01 0d 02 00 00 f7 f0 00 00 7e 46 01 02 00 49 6e 74 65 72 6e 61 6c 20 50 61 74 63 68 20 20 7f 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 01 40 00 00 00 40 40 40 40 02 00 04 40 00 00 00 00 7f 00 00 00 00 00 40 42 02 00 04 40 00 00 00 00 7f 00 00 00 00 00 40 3e 02 00 04 40 00 00 00 00 7f 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 7f 00 00 7f 00 00 7f 00 20 10 2e 00 00 00 07 10 7f 07 20 00 01 03 7f 01 40 00 01 50 7f 01 60 00 7f 40 40 40 40 00 60 60 20 40 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 38 f7 Then 02 and 03. Figgered I throw that out there. I have no idea what it means but I'll bet some of you guys can read it like a newspaper.http://midibox.org/forums/public/style_emoticons/default/thumbsup.png Thanks for your reply Wilba! That's what I thought(about J8/J9). I didn't know about taking the 74xxxx's out. I've been trying to upload the setup 8580 hex but I still can't get my PICs to respond... Right now the control surface is having no effect. That's my status right now. Stuck till I can get my Pics up and running. Thanks

Ok. When I take the eeproms out on PIC 0 the Lcd reads: A001 Chn1 1--- Internal Patch When I slip an eeprom in it counts up to 6 and resets. In Mios studio it still is not responding to midi in. I checked all the PICs with the LCD and the second one doesn't read anything on the LCD but in Mios studio says everything is AOK. The third and the fouth PIC says on the LCD that it's loaded with the testtone program and will not respond to midi in in Mios studio. I should mention that only the second PIC is getting warm. By the way. I built a step B control surface for troubleshooting but I can't quite figure out how to hook it up to the base PCB (Wilba 6852). I have a separate DIN module built so can I just connect it to J8-J9 in the core section? or do I have to solder headers in the the JD inputs in the bottom and disconnect my separate DIN module? Thanks

Hi. I'd love to buy them 2 loose SIDs. I'll PM you.

Wow. Thanks for the reply TK!! I have the 24lc512 epproms in. There are 8 of'em there . I have not had an opportunity to check it without. (I hadn't thought of it...) But I will do so as soon as I get the chance. I believe it's firmware MBSID V2 (Latest and Greatest!) and it's Mios 1.9. I'll double check to make sure when I have everything hooked up. (Right now my desk is cluttered with the Baby8 - APC... I'm trying to clear off my breadboard.) So the pic getting warm was good? That's kinda what I figured cause it did the same thing in both spots. None of the other pics did. I'll check back back after I have tested without the epproms. Thanks!

Hi y'all. I aquired an almost complete MB-6582 Base PCB and I'm in the process of troubleshooting it. I've been reading and searching and I think I've done most of the homework I can. I could really use some help to get pointed in the right direction. I checked all the voltages and they match up with the prescribed numbers. I'm really bad with computers and midi. All my music gear is hardware. I'm using a Lexicon Lambda interface with a windows XP OS. I checked some other gear with midiox and I'm outputting and inputting. In Mios Studio it loops back and sends and receives sysex strings (the letters in the bottom box?) The LED flickers when I connect it to TX and RX. It does not flicker when I connect it to pins 4 and 5 (M- and M+) of the output on the MB6582. I tried it both ways round to make sure it wasn't me. The problem is: I have 4 pics from Smash. On 0 originally it had the testtone programmed. I thought I uploaded setup 8580. Now on the LCD it counts up patch numbers to 67, stops, reboots and does the whole shtick over again. I can't get a response from it. In the midi input window it reads f0 00 00 7e 40 00 01 f7. But it can't get a response from the chip. It keeps telling me to check my midi connection but I'm pretty positive that everything is good till the MB6582. I checked all the soldering. I retouched anything that looked remotely like a cold joint or bridges. That doesn't mean that is not the cause of the problem though. Does this sound familiar to anyone? Where should I look for the culprit? Another thing. I noticed the second Pic (Device 1) was getting warm. So I queried device 1 and it says Application Ready to Go! (paraphrase) I thought maybe it was the chip so I put it in 0 spot but I can't figure out how to change the device number. I don't think you can right? The other 2 chips are nonresponsive. I was sent a core module as well and when I tried that Pic in 0 spot the LCD comes up as Midibox SID V2 no CS but it will not communicate with MIOS either. Still tells me it can't communicate with the chip in the input window. I am guessing that since the LED don't flicker when connected to the midi output but all the other tests on the MIOS troubleshooting page are a go that it has something to do with the soldering but I'm out of leads. I've been trying to get this myself for 3 days and I know a lot more than I did but I'm still getting the same results. I could really use some help from someone more experienced and knowledgeable than myself. Thanks

Am I in the wrong forum? I should add that I ordered my own boards also and self sourced my components. I'm still waiting for the boards to arrive. It sure is nice to have something to fiddle with in the meantime though... Now if I could only figure out how to get them to work...

Hi y'all. I aquired an almost complete MB-6582 Base PCB and I'm in the process of troubleshooting it. I've been reading and searching and I think I've done most of the homework I can. I could really use some help to get pointed in the right direction. I checked all the voltages and they match up with the prescribed numbers. I'm really bad with computers and midi. All my music gear is hardware. I'm using a Lexicon Lambda interface with a windows XP OS. I checked some other gear with midiox and I'm outputting and inputting. In Mios Studio it loops back and sends and receives sysex strings (the letters in the bottom box?) The LED flickers when I connect it to TX and RX. It does not flicker when I connect it to pins 4 and 5 (M- and M+) of the output on the MB6582. I tried it both ways round to make sure it wasn't me. The problem is: I have 4 pics from Smash. On 0 originally it had the testtone programmed. I thought I uploaded setup 8580. Now on the LCD it counts up patch numbers to 67, stops, reboots and does the whole shtick over again. I can't get a response from it. In the midi input window it reads f0 00 00 7e 40 00 01 f7. But it can't get a response from the chip. It keeps telling me to check my midi connection but I'm pretty positive that everything is good till the MB6582. I checked all the soldering. I retouched anything that looked remotely like a cold joint or bridges. That doesn't mean that is not the cause of the problem though. Does this sound familiar to anyone? Where should I look for the culprit? Another thing. I noticed the second Pic (Device 1) was getting warm. So I queried device 1 and it says Application Ready to Go! (paraphrase) I thought maybe it was the chip so I put it in 0 spot but I can't figure out how to change the device number. I don't think you can right? The other 2 chips are nonresponsive. I was sent a core module as well and when I tried that Pic in 0 spot the LCD comes up as Midibox SID V2 no CS but it will not communicate with MIOS either. Still tells me it can't communicate with the chip in the input window. I am guessing that since the LED don't flicker when connected to the midi output but all the other tests on the MIOS troubleshooting page are a go that it has something to do with the soldering but I'm out of leads. I've been trying to get this myself for 3 days and I know a lot more than I did but I'm still getting the same results. I could really use some help from someone more experienced and knowledgeable than myself. Thanks

Anybody have a spare set of knobs left?

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I had a little trouble locating the W04 bridge rectifier. I ended up ordering the one listed on SmashTV partslist (I think) for the SID module board. I ordered a W08 800v. Will that work? I had trouble finding the right one @Mouser cuz I don't understand exactly what qualities I'm looking for in a bridge rectifier. I mostly understand what they do but everything I've worked on so far has been DC. I'm still very much a beginner so If I screwed up please let me know and help me to understand what exactly to be looking for. Will the BR in the commodore work? Thanks

I have. They look good. I don't have my box built and I don't have my power supply yet. They took a little while to get here but they look fine. I got 6581s and 8580s. The 8580s have a little hat stamped on the bottom??? I'm expecting a 64c and some power supplies and I have plenty of C64s so pretty soon I'll be able to test both sets(if the 64c works and has a socket. If not I'll probably pop the chip then install a socket). That'll put me @ 16 chips and I'm DYING to know if they work. I'll let you know. He has lots of good reviews and says he'll guarantee them so...? But They did come from HongKong. It says Australia, but they ship from HongKong. That's a little shady but so long as the chips work (or he replaces them if they don't)... Your call. I'll let you know my results as soon as my PSUs arrive.

Not doing it. Got some Saturday work! Nothing like new fresh components... This post is ignorant. Please be so kind as to remove it.... Thanks!

You're right! I totally missed it! I'll make sure to add a 1K 1/4w resistor to my list... http://midibox.org/forums/public/style_emoticons/default/poke.gif