Futureman Posted March 19, 2009 Report Share Posted March 19, 2009 Today i was thinking: the fear for increased sea levels.. isn t the north pole just floating on water? Isn t ice just solid water? What will happen if ice melts?Nothing, am I mistaken or what?Well, I guess you could easily do an experiment, put an ice cube in a glass... when it melts, does the level go up or stay the same?Oh, but I guess that would all be redundant considering that the south pole is ontop of a landmass.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nILS Posted March 19, 2009 Report Share Posted March 19, 2009 If it's floating a good bit of it is over the water level atm. So melting is like actually dropping it in the water ;) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cimo Posted March 19, 2009 Report Share Posted March 19, 2009 If it's floating a good bit of it is over the water level atm. So melting is like actually dropping it in the water ;)ice floats cause its specific weight is lower then water, water is the only substance that increases its volume when in solid state. The "over the surface" portion of ice represents exactly the extra volume increased by the solidifying event. Oh, but I guess that would all be redundant considering that the south pole is ontop of a landmass.... Antarctic ice doesn t go over 1m depth, water covered surface of earth is 510,072,000 km², southern summer-ice pack surface is around 5,000,000, that makes 1cm of sea level increase in a really disastrous event. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Futureman Posted March 19, 2009 Report Share Posted March 19, 2009 Antarctic ice doesn t go over 1m depth, water covered surface of earth is whaaaaat? are you saying that the ice in the Antarctic is no more than 1 meter deep? lol.. if so, please point me towards your informed sources..have you stuck a cube in a glass yet? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cimo Posted March 19, 2009 Report Share Posted March 19, 2009 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polar_ice_packsok, that s the thickness of the "sea-side" antarctica, the "land-side" has to be thickerAbout 98% of Antarctica is covered by the Antarctic ice sheet, a sheet of ice averaging at least 1.6 kilometres (1.0 mi) thick. The continent has about 90% of the world's ice (and thereby about 70% of the world's fresh water). If all of this ice were melted, sea levels would rise about 60 metres (200 ft).[19]adios, Venezia Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rosch Posted March 19, 2009 Report Share Posted March 19, 2009 i'd prefer the ice to this waste, it at least can melt away...and this waste can't be discussed away Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stryd_one Posted March 19, 2009 Report Share Posted March 19, 2009 This discussion is over 20 years old at least, and still going nowhere fast. I'm gonna quote one of my favourite movies lines ever, courtesy of John Connor:Are we learning yet? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Screaming_Rabbit Posted March 19, 2009 Report Share Posted March 19, 2009 ... water is the only substance that increases its volume when in solid state.Wrong! Water is the only well known substance behaving this way... in the last 10 to 20 years, other anomaly behaving substances have been discoverd (I think it wa about 3 or 4 other ones).Greets, RogerEdit: Typos Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
/tilted/ Posted March 19, 2009 Report Share Posted March 19, 2009 What happens if the ice melts?It's already melting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cimo Posted March 19, 2009 Report Share Posted March 19, 2009 Wrong! Water is the only well known substance behaving this way... in the last 10 to 20 other anomaly behaving substances have been discoverd (I think it was about 3 or 4 other ones).Greets, Rogerinteresting, hint/link? What happens if the ice melts?It's already melting.Ye I know that, but what really surprised me is thinking how the complete melting of the north pole and of the sea-side part of the south pole wouldn t affect the sea level at any time. The biggest concerns about pole s melting is about the north pole which seems to be more affected. Afaik there is no big concern, temperature misbehaving in the south pole, and i clearly remember some docu showing the north pole ice-pack area statitics and then showing how this would affect the sea levels (i even remember my venice going underwater together with amsterdam..)--I am not against or pro any theory, i am just trying to understand, and i am also very skeptical about any kind of mass media covered info-- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
/tilted/ Posted March 19, 2009 Report Share Posted March 19, 2009 The north pole is not specifically a big deal, since this is sea ice, and it expands and retracts seasonally anyway.The real problem (especially for Europe) is Greenland. If the land based ice on greenland should melt and flow out, there are real concerns for potential disturbance to the gulf stream. This relates to Europe especially, since this current is one of the big reasons why europe is warmer than it's latitude suggests it should be.Apologies for the massive picture, the point is that temperature is usually based on latitude, except of course in the very high mountain ranges of the Rockies, the Andes, the Himalayas, the Tian Shan... If the gulf stream were to shut down, or even slow down (which it already has started to do...) there would not be this movement of warm equatorial water, which warms europe. the result of this would be significant cooling in europe, while the rest of the world is trying to avoid warming. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goblinz Posted March 19, 2009 Report Share Posted March 19, 2009 What happens if the ice melts?It's already melting.What happened in 1993? We seemed to regain some land.TBH there's a bit of my that thinks we are still recovering from the last ice age. True we are accellerating things, but surely the earth has it's natural rythems and we've carried on warming up since the ice age.If we built a 60 meter wall round green land then would that be the problem solved? ;) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stryd_one Posted March 19, 2009 Report Share Posted March 19, 2009 Somewhere about 100 pages back :) I mentioned that we're actually overdue for the next ice age, a period which is typically marked by temperature rises... So I doubt it's recovery from the last one ;) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goblinz Posted March 19, 2009 Report Share Posted March 19, 2009 Somewhere about 100 pages back :) I mentioned that we're actually overdue for the next ice age, a period which is typically marked by temperature rises... So I doubt it's recovery from the last one ;)Hmnn.. so what does that mean? We heading towards and ice age and are accellerating the process? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SLP Posted March 19, 2009 Report Share Posted March 19, 2009 Wrong! Water is the only well known substance behaving this way... in the last 10 to 20 years, other anomaly behaving substances have been discoverd (I think it wa about 3 or 4 other ones).Greets, RogerEdit: TyposNot entirely right.Water has its greatest density at about 4°C.If you heat it up or cool it down even more, it's getting less dense again.Ever thought about how fish/frogs can survive in a frozen lake? The water just above the ground as always ~4°Cmy2cEdit: Typos...Edit2: misread something....I'm running out of 1,3,7-trimethylxanthine :P Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Screaming_Rabbit Posted March 19, 2009 Report Share Posted March 19, 2009 Not entirely right.Water has its greatest density at about 4°C.If you heat it up or cool it down even more, it's getting less dense again.Ever thought about how fish/frogs can survive in a frozen lake? The water just above the ground as always ~4°Cmy2cEdit: Typos...... did I make a statement on what the anomaly of water is? :oBut what you write is not exactly true. It is true, that this happens but only by further cooling below about 70K. - But this is minimal. Above about -200°C, ice is behaving like most other solid materials.Getting a lower density by cooling further below melting point, happens only by applying pressure and lowering the melting point by that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SLP Posted March 19, 2009 Report Share Posted March 19, 2009 ... did I make a statement on what the anomaly of water is? :onope, you didn't :P Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goblinz Posted March 19, 2009 Report Share Posted March 19, 2009 Does this have to break down in to a debate over the properties of water? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cimo Posted March 19, 2009 Report Share Posted March 19, 2009 Does this have to break down in to a debate over the properties of water?why not? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stryd_one Posted March 19, 2009 Report Share Posted March 19, 2009 At least we're likely to agree on *something* that way :D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bugfight Posted March 19, 2009 Report Share Posted March 19, 2009 why not? hehe "break down"was more hoping for debate on the young ones, or anarchy, or cliff richard... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stryd_one Posted March 20, 2009 Report Share Posted March 20, 2009 Aren't they all the same thing? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goblinz Posted March 20, 2009 Report Share Posted March 20, 2009 hehe "break down"was more hoping for debate on the young ones, or anarchy, or cliff richard...There's no debate when it comes to the young ones.... an excellent series! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
philetaylor Posted March 20, 2009 Report Share Posted March 20, 2009 I watched every episode so many times in my youth that the VHS tape that we had them on snapped from over use. The by-product of this was that I can quote whole sections :)PhilNeil: You think that's bad? Rick: Well Yes I do actually, what's it to you piss face? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goblinz Posted March 20, 2009 Report Share Posted March 20, 2009 I watched every episode so many times in my youth that the VHS tape that we had them on snapped from over use. The by-product of this was that I can quote whole sections :)PhilLOL, I had to replace my VHS copy with a DVD. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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