scottsober Posted February 18, 2012 Report Share Posted February 18, 2012 I rescently built the sid module and the core 8 pcboards and no sound when I hooked up a midi keyboard to the midi in.I have the pre burned pic .I hooked up the j10 of core to j2 of the sid pcb and hooked an amp to the output of the sid board.I know the boards are built right and all voltages check out.any help would be appreciated...forum name scottsober 2-18-2012 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nILS Posted February 18, 2012 Report Share Posted February 18, 2012 I know the boards are built right and all voltages check out No, you don't. Assuming they actually are working, there's 4 more things that come to mind: 1) wiring 2) sid dead 3) no mbSID software on the pic 4) keyboard isn't sending on the right channel/the right stuff Also, did you do any of the things in the troubleshooting section of the MIDIbox SID page on ucapps.de? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scottsober Posted February 18, 2012 Author Report Share Posted February 18, 2012 I built the sid core and sid module.I hooked the core to the sid module.I hooked up my lcd and copywrite and then ready came on screen.I tryed to get a midi keyboard hooked up to the core then hooked up a amp to the sid module.No output.I changed the 8580 sid chip still no output.I wasn't sure if I needed to download any additional things for the pic as it came pre loaded.I was wondering how to hook the core to the computer and wasn't sure how to hook the midi to usb cables to my computer.Or if there is a virtual midi keyboard I could use to try to get JUST THE BASIC SID WORKING.I HAVE ALOT OF TIME AND MONEY INTO THIS SO FAR.SO ANY HELP WOULD BE APPRECIATED.2-18-2012scottsober Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TK. Posted February 19, 2012 Report Share Posted February 19, 2012 Why do you ignore Nils' hints??? WE ALREADY SPENT A LOT OF TIME TO UNDERSTAND YOUR PROBLEM!!! YOUR COOPERATION WOULD BE APPRECIATED!!! Please check especially Nils' topics 3 and 4 Btw.: which PIC are you using? Best Regards, Thorsten. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nILS Posted February 19, 2012 Report Share Posted February 19, 2012 Also, don't PM me with the issue and don't write any more eMails to SmashTV about it, please. If you need tech support this right here is the right place. Sidenote: I bet money on #3 earlier in the chat. And I hate losing money. *nudgenudgewinkwink* Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antix Posted February 19, 2012 Report Share Posted February 19, 2012 What do you mean with "ready come on screen"? " Ready " message come after MIOS uploading if I remember well. Do you uploaded SID application after this step? ( Nils topic 3 ) Regards Antix Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scottsober Posted February 19, 2012 Author Report Share Posted February 19, 2012 I am a begginer and as such I don't know how or if I need to upload the sid application .I have a pre loaded pic 18f-4685 chip and it has the ver1.96 mios on it aand bslv12b oooo oooo oooo oooo already on it.I hooked up a lcd to the core and it displays Ready.How do I get sound out?so far I hooked j2to j10 and the lcd up I also hooked up 2 diff power supplys one 15 volt ac to sid and 1 9v to core i checked the voltages at the chips they are just fine.I changed the sid chip also.still no sound after i hooked up my midi keyboard to midi in.How do I do a test tone?I have midi to usb cables but am unsure how to use em....----scottsober2-18-2012 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shuriken Posted February 19, 2012 Report Share Posted February 19, 2012 (edited) Have you read the MB SID Walkthrough? You need MIOS Studio and setup_8580.hex (hint it's hidden in midibox_sid_v2_0_rc38.zip). All can be downloaded here. Edited February 19, 2012 by Shuriken Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scottsober Posted February 19, 2012 Author Report Share Posted February 19, 2012 I got the ready light on my lcd and it was mentioned that I need mios studio and setup_8580.asm Is this in addition to the programs already on my 18f4685?How do I get this into my boards?Will I have to purchase a pic burner such as pickit 2?Is pickit 2 the right pic burner?How do I do this?thanks for any help as this would be a 1st pic burned and also am a complete begginnner.I have usb to midi cables also.The pic already has mios1.9gthanks....----scottsober 2-19-2012 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antix Posted February 19, 2012 Report Share Posted February 19, 2012 If you have a pre burned PIC you dont need a PIC programmer board. just download MIOSStudio , the latest MIOS application and the MBSID application. you need only a midi interface connected to PC and the core run MIOSStudio then upload the MIOS into the PIC stuffed on your core then upload the SID application. no panic ...we all once were beginners ...just read Antix Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gilesjuk Posted February 19, 2012 Report Share Posted February 19, 2012 (edited) This explains what you see at the various stages: http://www.midibox.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=mios If you have Mios you should see Ready. If you have just the bootloader it will show a blank screen but you should see it available in MIOS studio. Edited February 19, 2012 by Gilesjuk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nILS Posted February 19, 2012 Report Share Posted February 19, 2012 Why on earth did you open a new topic for the same exact problem? Seriously... Merged. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scottsober Posted February 19, 2012 Author Report Share Posted February 19, 2012 (edited) I just spent 4 hours trying to upload the hex file to the core and opened studio and could not upload the files I need to get in to the core.I hooked the usb of my computer to the midi in/out of the core and still couldn't seem to upload the sid app or even the mios8 I 'm seriously thinking of sending this project to someone who knows what they are doing,because I don't need the added headaches that this project has given me.I got the thing built and it says ready and now this ?I think I would have to have a masters degree in electronics to run this thing.I have built some really advanced stuff and got them to work,and I almost finished a degree associates in electronics right now.....----scottsober Edited February 19, 2012 by nILS Please don't full-quote, unless you actually reply to the stuff you quote. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shuriken Posted February 19, 2012 Report Share Posted February 19, 2012 (edited) I just spent 4 hours trying to upload the hex file to the core and opened studio and could not upload the files I need to get in to the core.I hooked the usb of my computer to the midi in/out of the core and still couldn't seem to upload the sid app or even the mios8 I 'm seriously thinking of sending this project to someone who knows what they are doing,because I don't need the added headaches that this project has given me.I got the thing built and it says ready and now this ?I think I would have to have a masters degree in electronics to run this thing.I have built some really advanced stuff and got them to work,and I almost finished a degree associates in electronics right now.....----scottsober What's so hard about it? You fire up Mios Studio. Load setup_8580.hex and then press start. Then power on your midbox core8 and wait for upload to finish. I have managed it and i certainly don't have masters degree in electronics. Btw. Your posts could do with some better punctuation. Makes it much easier to read and thus help you. Why on earth did you open a new topic for the same exact problem? Seriously... Merged. Bit late nILS :devil: You did that around 10:00h. Edited February 19, 2012 by Shuriken Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antix Posted February 19, 2012 Report Share Posted February 19, 2012 Can you post a picture of your setup?May be helpful. You say that you connected USB of your computer to MIDI IN / OUT of the core. Is in between a MIDI interface? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scottsober Posted February 19, 2012 Author Report Share Posted February 19, 2012 Can you post a picture of your setup?May be helpful. You say that you connected USB of your computer to MIDI IN / OUT of the core. Is in between a MIDI interface? I have a maudio uno cable what is a midi interface? this has a double midi jack connected to a electronic module then to a usb cable.I think this is a midi interface made by m audio.I connected this thing to the core pc board .The cable is plugged in to my usb of the computer then to the core through two midi connectors I hooked them up to the core pc board.I then tryed mios studio it says to select in midi and out midi ports to which core is connected.The only thing to choose was the maudio uno ports or none so I clked on uno .for the browse I chose setup _8580.hex file I hit start and absolutely nothing happened.Query says no response from mios 8 or mios32 core check midi in out connections and device id which was 0.I tred for hours everything that I could and could not get a sound out of the sid .I think it is still trying to contact the core .I tred to get a test tone and no luck either.Is there a way to get this to work that I have not tryed yet? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scottsober Posted February 19, 2012 Author Report Share Posted February 19, 2012 (edited) Here are pictures Edited February 20, 2012 by nILS Please don't full-quote, unless you actually respond to the stuff you quote Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ilmenator Posted February 19, 2012 Report Share Posted February 19, 2012 What OS are you on? The M-Audio Uno is known to work with Win XP 32bit. It may have problems with other Operating Systems? Another thing to check: have you connected MIDI Out of your M-Audio with MIDI In of your core? And MIDI In of the M-Audio with MIDI Out of the core? Only then will you transfer data! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scottsober Posted February 19, 2012 Author Report Share Posted February 19, 2012 (edited) I have a computer with win xp and a win 7 computer I tried both computers with the m audio.And you said the op system was win xp 32 bit I tryed that on my other win xp computer.I have two plugs to choose from they are both at the same end of the cord as you can see in the pictures I could try to flip them around.I'll flip them around and still try to upload the sid app.I have been constantly at work with this thing .From what I gather IT SHOULDN"T BE THIS DIFFICULT ....----scottsober By the way how is everyone uploading the sid app and what are they using to do it?Ive yet to get the thing to even communicate with the core ? Edited February 20, 2012 by nILS Please don't double-post. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antix Posted February 20, 2012 Report Share Posted February 20, 2012 (edited) -you have to connect midi IN of the core to midi OUT of m-audio cable and midi OUT of the core to midi IN of the m-audio cable -run MIOSStudio -select MIDI in and out devices -turn on the core , click on query and verify the core is responding ( as it visualize READY it is working ) -choose an HEX.file to upload ( browse and select the MBsid application you have downloaded in the MIOS download page) -press start if you have all the right connection it must work OK. Edited February 20, 2012 by Antix Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nILS Posted February 20, 2012 Report Share Posted February 20, 2012 Scott, please, for crying out loud. Do some reading. http://www.ucapps.de http://www.midibox.org/dokuwiki Everyone uses MIOSStudio to upload the app and so should you. http://www.ucapps.de/mios_studio.html This page (which you should have found all by yourself at this point) has detailed information on how to upload an application. Until you have actually done what this page tells you and if it doesn't work have gone through the MIDI troubleshooting instructions noone will be able to help you. You keep wasting our time by keeping us guessing what your problem might be and seem to completely ignore all the advice given to you. The first reply in this thread already has the answer to your problem. Even before you posted that, Smash has sent you a list with the links to solve the problem you have. Now it's up to you to actually listen to the advice given. I am not going to spend anymore time trying to help you, if you keep ignoring the answers you get. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gilesjuk Posted February 29, 2012 Report Share Posted February 29, 2012 After connecting your device to MIOS Studio and powering it up you should see a message saying "Pic up and running" or similar. Unless you see that message you don't have the PIC core wired up to MIDI correctly. It can be many things, the MIDI wiring is reversed or even wrong resistor value on the MIDI input (something I had with my MB-6582, put the wrong one in). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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