Squalie Posted October 1, 2006 Report Share Posted October 1, 2006 Here is an other site that has some info on the use of lazetran + some other tips on making front panels.http://www.nrgrecording.de/html/lazetran.htmlhttp://www.nrgrecording.de/html/index.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Altitude Posted October 1, 2006 Author Report Share Posted October 1, 2006 Here is an other site that has some info on the use of lazetran + some other tips on making front panels.Yeah, saw that. that is the old lasertran which you have to bake. the new stuff is just water and clear coat. Plus the lasertran results they got look awful Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rambinator Posted October 3, 2006 Report Share Posted October 3, 2006 Yeah, saw that. that is the old lasertran which you have to bake. the new stuff is just water and clear coat. Plus the lasertran results they got look awfuljeeez... that looks like shite. i hope i will get better results. what do you mean with "old lazertran". as far as i got it the baking process is optional to give a more durable result. i was also planning on doing it this way.on their pix it looks like it is impossible to get a dark surface without bubbles and scratches, but when you look at the whole stuff they built all the devices have black fronts with just the lines scales and letter in alu-color. can anyone recomend covering big areas with black color with lazertran. i have my panel made from satin stainless VA-Steel and i might do it like that. but if the results are that bad it might be better to apply black lines on the brushed (or white sprayed) panel Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squalie Posted October 3, 2006 Report Share Posted October 3, 2006 Well, he says that the temperature was too high and that he baked it too long. But I also think that the printer that he uses isn't all that good (too little toner).If you follow the "Tips from another DIYer." link on that page you can read and see the experiences of an other DIYer.This looks much better (as far as I can tell from the pictures). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rambinator Posted October 5, 2006 Report Share Posted October 5, 2006 what sort of lazertran is preferable for frontpanels? laser or inkjet? It seems like these are completely different mechanisms. If i understand it correctly laser has to be printed mirrored, while the other has not. It is also stated on the site that the background of the inkjet version becomes white which implies that this material is thicker than the laser version. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Altitude Posted October 5, 2006 Author Report Share Posted October 5, 2006 They do not recommend the laser stuff anymore since most modern lasers operate too hot for the paper. The inkjet stuff is what you want (you can laser print on it too) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rambinator Posted October 20, 2006 Report Share Posted October 20, 2006 ok. i now have everything ready for order. i still have another question before i spend my money on lazertran. the new lazertran seems to be non-transparent, producing a white background. they say you can make it trasparent with a varnish, but does anyone haven an experience of how transparent it will be? as i sais i have a shiny steel surface that should appear as "natural" as possible, where not covered. btw. at the office we have one of those printers/copiers that is listed to be compatible with the old lazertran. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stryd_one Posted October 20, 2006 Report Share Posted October 20, 2006 Have you seen what the guitar pedal guys do with metal boxes?http://aronnelson.com/gallery/album24 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr modnaR Posted October 20, 2006 Report Share Posted October 20, 2006 LMFAO! all pics have over 1000 views, except one:One Last Thing....This is spent Ferric Chloride.Please be courteous to the environment and dispose of in a responsible manner.Thank You. Viewed: 54 timesgood link though stryd thanks! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stryd_one Posted October 20, 2006 Report Share Posted October 20, 2006 Props for noticing that modnaR! I was rather disappointed to see it, although hopefully people read the message, and just didn't open the pic :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr modnaR Posted October 20, 2006 Report Share Posted October 20, 2006 yeah i hope so too. nothing more stupid than sawing off the branch that you're sitting on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stryd_one Posted October 20, 2006 Report Share Posted October 20, 2006 Wise words :)Hey on the frontpanel tip, check this stuff out:From herehttp://electro-music.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=93647#93647Led me to this instructional page http://www.sdiy.org/xyzzy/panels/about using this stuffhttp://www.horizonsisg.com/products/idmark.aspMost interesting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DavidBanner Posted October 20, 2006 Report Share Posted October 20, 2006 OMG!!!! They've got sheets of aluminum that you can print directly onto!!!Stryd - massive respect for finding and posting that link. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stryd_one Posted October 20, 2006 Report Share Posted October 20, 2006 I would like to give credit to whichever blog sent me the RSS feed that drew my attention to it.... If that stuff is half as good as it looks....oh yeh.... :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jidis Posted October 20, 2006 Report Share Posted October 20, 2006 LMFAO! all pics have over 1000 views, except one:I also couldn't help but notice the name was a bit "casual" about rinsing the ferric chloride soaked enclosure in his sink. ;DI've stained many things with etchant which should've been weak and diluted enough not to do anything. Still have a nice line down a stainless steel sink at my aunt's house from a droplet of "mostly water".Thanks too for the links. I had read that tip on cutting air relief holes in prints before, but had forgotten about it. I'll remember that on my next transfer. Bubbles are something I've always had trouble with. So is sanded "slush" from the spray paint,etc. all that guy puts in the etched areas? I like that look. I've been into aluminum with black text lately, but am doing the toner directly to the metal and leaving it on. I'd like to see how clean a print I can get with the etched method.BTW- Unfortunately, it looks like that nice muriatic acid post was one of the casualties of Friday the 13th. :'(I had to etch with some again the other night and went looking for it. Can't find a local copy either, but could've sworn I saved it. Take Care,George Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr modnaR Posted October 21, 2006 Report Share Posted October 21, 2006 re: the bubbles.couldn't the transfer be separated from it's backing paper and laid on the aluminium sheet underwater? that would prevent bubbles, no?hope this helps. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stryd_one Posted October 21, 2006 Report Share Posted October 21, 2006 or create water bubbles instead of air... synth-pimples ;) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr modnaR Posted October 21, 2006 Report Share Posted October 21, 2006 nah i don't think that would happen, the reason the air bubbles get stuck, is because the transfer sticks to the metal/whatever. if it's all done underwater, any water bubbles stuck underneath would soften the glue around themselves, and should pass out unhindered. try it out, and post your results. ;D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jidis Posted October 21, 2006 Report Share Posted October 21, 2006 In my case it's just with regular toner transfers (no blue stuff here right now).I get bubble problems and lifting,etc. during the cooling process, after the transfer. Not sure if relief cuts or holes would change that much, but it couldn't hurt.George Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moebius Posted October 21, 2006 Report Share Posted October 21, 2006 Yeah,Thanks for the cool link! ;) Must try ecthing a frontpanel sometime. (only done it to make paint stick better to the aluminium)Props for noticing that modnaR! I was rather disappointed to see it, although hopefully people read the message, and just didn't open the pic :)Actually, I disagree a bit. Lets say, the strong points of the FeCl are: It smells sorta bad, it stains everything - But it's not really that poisonous or environmentally harmful.I'm not saying You should try it as a blender for Your favourite Vodka or to do etching in Yer moms kitchen sink, but used and diluded solution can be easily disposed. Probably the domestic cleaning fluids You're using to TRY rinse off FeCl stains are more hazardous to You and the environment.Moebius Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DavidBanner Posted October 22, 2006 Report Share Posted October 22, 2006 I would like to give credit to whichever blog sent me the RSS feed that drew my attention to it..stop trying to dodge the credit!now, where did that Karma button go????? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stryd_one Posted October 22, 2006 Report Share Posted October 22, 2006 Probably the domestic cleaning fluids You're using to TRY rinse off FeCl stains are more hazardous to You and the environment.Hah good point! I'm honestly not sure which is the lesser of the two evils, but they're both evil! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DavidBanner Posted October 23, 2006 Report Share Posted October 23, 2006 so what is the general consensus on the best way to dispose of FeCl? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jidis Posted October 23, 2006 Report Share Posted October 23, 2006 One suggestion I've read was to mix it into some powder (concrete mix, I believe), so you get a nice solid rock which can be thrown in with the regular trash (I hope).George Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr modnaR Posted October 23, 2006 Report Share Posted October 23, 2006 lol, that makes it sound like nuclear waste! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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