TK. Posted February 11, 2009 Author Report Share Posted February 11, 2009 If you are working under Windows, it definitely makes sense to try the update! The issue is, that the Windows Java version sends invalid data to MBSID once the stream length varies, and this can cause strange effects (also hangups)We found a workaround which should solve this.It also makes sense to use the latest MBSIDV2 firmware release (>= RC28) - in general, it will be very difficult to find an explanation for effects you noticed with tool/firmware versions which don't match together, or which are outdated.Best Regards, Thorsten.P.S.: this isn't the MBSID Editor thread - I moved your posting Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mesak Posted February 11, 2009 Report Share Posted February 11, 2009 ok!but for now my SID is constantly booting and booting whether midi is connected or not. uploading the firmware again didn't solve that. i hope the CORE (?) hasn't been messed up for real. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TK. Posted February 11, 2009 Author Report Share Posted February 11, 2009 Could you please copy&paste the debug messages of the MIOS Studio upload window when you are trying to upload MIOS?/Edit: the same when you are uploading the MBSID firmwareBest Regards, Thorsten. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rutgerv Posted February 12, 2009 Report Share Posted February 12, 2009 nice one! I had a frozen note yesterday, which was out of range for all of my Keyboards...it made me restart everything ;)Edit: I Haven't found it yet...any hint where to look?Haha, you're correct! It isn't there. I have already implemented it, but these changes didn't make it into this release. I'm working on some other features at the moment, so there will probably be another release shortly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rutgerv Posted February 12, 2009 Report Share Posted February 12, 2009 BTW: nice to see that many people are enjoying the editor! Does someone already have a set of patches, that he/she's willing to share? After I fixed the last TODO's for the editor I'll finish up on the promised bank of polyphonic patches and share them with you!Do we already have a place for file exchange? Or do we make that a new topic? Sysex files are small, so uploading with a post woudn't be a problem I think.Best,Rutger Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Imp Posted February 12, 2009 Report Share Posted February 12, 2009 yeah, right...patch exchange is an aspect of the editor, which makes it even more useful, even if you got the complete CS...BTW: I think I found a Bug: when i use Envelope2 via MOD2 to control cutoff (as "direct" or Target 1/2 doesn't matter), it does not work.I compared the values shown by the editor with those on my Sid, the only difference was at the depth of Envelope 2, which was at 0 on the sid.As i can reproduce this, i don't think it's related to any lost or fragmented midi-data. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flemming Posted February 12, 2009 Report Share Posted February 12, 2009 BTW: nice to see that many people are enjoying the editor! Does someone already have a set of patches, that he/she's willing to share? After I fixed the last TODO's for the editor I'll finish up on the promised bank of polyphonic patches and share them with you!Do we already have a place for file exchange? Or do we make that a new topic? Sysex files are small, so uploading with a post woudn't be a problem I think.Best,RutgerThanks for all your efforts in making the MBSID editor!! It's a lovely piece of software, and i look forward to play with your polyphonic patches also :)I haven't spent that much time exploring my MBSID to start doing my own patches yet (still building) but i surely will.... i do a lot of different genres though so it might end up being a pretty uneven bunch. But first i need to get familiar with the structure of the synth, hehe... messing around with the 128 vintage patches none of them seems to react on velocity, but that can very well be yet another a screwup from my side :)nILS mentioned a few days ago that he was looking into some online patchsharing concept. Such a thing will definately be easier to use than surfing a long thread for attachments... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rutgerv Posted February 12, 2009 Report Share Posted February 12, 2009 yeah, right...patch exchange is an aspect of the editor, which makes it even more useful, even if you got the complete CS...BTW: I think I found a Bug: when i use Envelope2 via MOD2 to control cutoff (as "direct" or Target 1/2 doesn't matter), it does not work.I compared the values shown by the editor with those on my Sid, the only difference was at the depth of Envelope 2, which was at 0 on the sid.As i can reproduce this, i don't think it's related to any lost or fragmented midi-data. Thanks for the report! I'll check, and if it's a bug I'll fix it with the next release. I have spent so much time on implementing new features lately, that I didn't have time for a lot of testing, but I will get to that soon. However, the improvements I made are so substantial that I wanted everyone to be able to benefit from them. I also highly appreciate your input as 'beta' users. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mesak Posted February 13, 2009 Report Share Posted February 13, 2009 Could you please copy&paste the debug messages of the MIOS Studio upload window when you are trying to upload MIOS?/Edit: the same when you are uploading the MBSID firmwareBest Regards, Thorsten.sorry, i have no a clue what happened here. a day off from studio had stopped the SID's constant booting. uploading didn't give any errors now or before. i will pay attention if i come up with this again.but i think i found a bug in the new editor version:saving to bankstick (transmit patch to memory) doesn't work anymore. in v0_2 patches were stored succesfully to memory, but now with v0_4 when transmitting there is nothing special, like error messages etc, but when patch is loaded again it hasn't been overwritten. i'm using 24LC256 instead of 512, so might that be causing some problems (since someone else should have noticed this too for sure)? i tried again with older editor and it really does store the patches properly to the bankstick.thanks! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flemming Posted February 13, 2009 Report Share Posted February 13, 2009 I experience the same behaviour actually.... if i transmit a patch to buffer my MIDI interface is flashing, indicating that data is sent. But if i transmit to memory no flashing occurs and the patch does not change.I know it worked for me in the last version... i have a fucked up practicing patch that definately suffers from my experiments, so data has surely been transmitted in the past :)I use a single 512 bankstick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rutgerv Posted February 13, 2009 Report Share Posted February 13, 2009 Hmmm, strange behaviour indeed! I'll check if I can reproduce and fix it! It almost sounds like no cores have been selected.Rutger Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rutgerv Posted February 13, 2009 Report Share Posted February 13, 2009 Ah, found it! Stupid mistake from my side, sorry! Switching back and forth between Java and Matlab I forgot that Java starts array indexing at 0 instead of 1. Whoops ;).Will be fixed with next release (to be expected within a week).Best,Rutger Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stryd_one Posted February 13, 2009 Report Share Posted February 13, 2009 Hehe you're not alone bud... last version of an app I committed to SVN, right before I noticed doing the same thing. I hope java doesn't let you overrun the array bounds and crash the box like it did for me in C :D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flexinoodle Posted February 13, 2009 Report Share Posted February 13, 2009 nILS mentioned a few days ago that he was looking into some online patchsharing concept. Such a thing will definately be easier to use than surfing a long thread for attachments... Now that would be awesomeFlex Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nILS Posted February 14, 2009 Report Share Posted February 14, 2009 nILS mentioned a few days ago that he was looking into some online patchsharing concept. Such a thing will definately be easier to use than surfing a long thread for attachments... Ain't there no such thing as chat privacy around here? ;) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flemming Posted February 14, 2009 Report Share Posted February 14, 2009 Ain't there no such thing as chat privacy around here? ;)...but nILS :) "someone" posted about it in the forumhttp://www.midibox.org/forum/index.php/topic,12943.msg109816.html#msg109816 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mesak Posted February 14, 2009 Report Share Posted February 14, 2009 sorry, i have no a clue what happened here. a day off from studio had stopped the SID's constant booting. uploading didn't give any errors now or before. i will pay attention if i come up with this again.it happened again, this time no computer & editor software connected to SID, so it is NOT related to the editor.i had notes and program change (same program number) sent rapidly to the synth and it hanged up again like before. kept booting and booting, swithced on & off few times but still repeated booting. i shut it off for 20--30 minutes and then it booted up normally. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flemming Posted February 14, 2009 Report Share Posted February 14, 2009 it happened again, this time no computer & editor software connected to SID, so it is NOT related to the editor.i had notes and program change (same program number) sent rapidly to the synth and it hanged up again like before. kept booting and booting, swithced on & off few times but still repeated booting. i shut it off for 20--30 minutes and then it booted up normally.Sounds a lot like my problem, heat... does the voltage regulator on the core get hot?? Now i bypass the vreg and the rectifier using 5V from a C64 PSU, works perfect :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mesak Posted February 14, 2009 Report Share Posted February 14, 2009 Sounds a lot like my problem, heat... does the voltage regulator on the core get hot?? Now i bypass the vreg and the rectifier using 5V from a C64 PSU, works perfect :)hmmm, it does get quite hot. though i also manage to play easily +1 hour long jams with the SID no problem so i doubt that would be the case. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flemming Posted February 14, 2009 Report Share Posted February 14, 2009 hmmm, it does get quite hot. though i also manage to play easily +1 hour long jams with the SID no problem so i doubt that would be the case.Same story with me.... i could play for hours, but if i turned it of and on again i would get resets galore... waiting ½ an hour i could power on again without resets Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mesak Posted February 14, 2009 Report Share Posted February 14, 2009 Same story with me.... i could play for hours, but if i turned it of and on again i would get resets galore... waiting ½ an hour i could power on again without resetsok! cheers ;) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rutgerv Posted February 14, 2009 Report Share Posted February 14, 2009 So who's going to build the first water-cooled (or nitrous?) MidiBox SID? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stryd_one Posted February 14, 2009 Report Share Posted February 14, 2009 So who's going to build the first water-cooled (or nitrous?) MidiBox SID?I think you mean (liquid) nitrogen. Nitrous (oxide) is laughing gas - something I need none of right now, while i picture an MBSID giggling uncontrollably :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rutgerv Posted February 17, 2009 Report Share Posted February 17, 2009 yeah, right...patch exchange is an aspect of the editor, which makes it even more useful, even if you got the complete CS...BTW: I think I found a Bug: when i use Envelope2 via MOD2 to control cutoff (as "direct" or Target 1/2 doesn't matter), it does not work.I compared the values shown by the editor with those on my Sid, the only difference was at the depth of Envelope 2, which was at 0 on the sid.As i can reproduce this, i don't think it's related to any lost or fragmented midi-data. Hi,you were right! It was a bug indeed and it affected all controls of Envelope 2. However, the good news is: it's fixed in the next release!Best,Rutger Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Imp Posted February 18, 2009 Report Share Posted February 18, 2009 That's actually great news...I really appreciate the work you put into it! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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